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Reply #1321 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 2:17pm

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OK - I found the Breguet 890 Mercure on Wiki, but wiki has no pics of the plane.   You have to type in Breguet 890 Mercure and press images to get to the pics - a nice wooden model pic is there with a good history explanation  
  http://www.wind-tunnel-models.com/wind_tunnel_model_Breguet_890.html   
 
the above link will not work, so click on the wood model pic and then view the page 
View page: wind-tunnel-models.com
for the history explanation, and more wood model pics.
   LWM
 

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Reply #1320 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 9:18pm

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LASTWOODSMAN wrote on Sep 12th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
That big 4 engine mystery plane looked familiar to me - as Sky9 pointed out - "a miltary version called the Mars, to replace the Douglas C-47" - and with the dihedral in the stab, it looked like the Martin Mars tanker fire bomber - is it the same plane? only 7 were built - four of the surviving aircraft were later converted for civilian use to firefighting water bombers.  It looks close ... ?   Is it sort of close?  I posted pics of the Martin Mars in "The West is Burning Up"
LWM

The Martin Mars that you are referring to is a very large American flying boat, the one in my mystery post is a French aircraft of which three were built and only one version was called the "Mars" (see the wikipedia extract)
 

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Reply #1319 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 7:06pm

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LastWoodsMan's pick is definitely German, seeing as it has Goetz on one of the aerodrome buildings. But I don't think that it is one of Grade's. This one is a two-seater, and he didn't use the Taube wingtips. It is definitely obscure. There might be more info on German Aeroflot sites.
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Reply #1318 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 6:11pm

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That big 4 engine mystery plane looked familiar to me - as Sky9 pointed out - "a miltary version called the Mars, to replace the Douglas C-47" - and with the dihedral in the stab, it looked like the Martin Mars tanker fire bomber - is it the same plane? only 7 were built - four of the surviving aircraft were later converted for civilian use to firefighting water bombers.  It looks close ... ?   Is it sort of close?  I posted pics of the Martin Mars in "The West is Burning Up"
LWM
 

OH, I HAVE SLIPPED THE SURLY BONDS OF EARTH ... UP, UP THE LONG DELIRIOUS BURNING BLUE ... SUNWARD I'VE CLIMBED AND JOINED THE TUMBLING MIRTH OF SUN-SPLIT CLOUDS ...
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Reply #1317 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 5:35pm

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Sky9pilot wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 9:18pm:
Kiwi...
Boy you found a rare one in this one!!!
Took me a while but I found it I believe. Built late 1948-49
The Breguet Aviation Br.892 Mercure passenger version of the military transport with the installation of four SNECMA Renault 12S-02 engines (the French version of Argus AS 411 engines) with a capacity of 570 hp.

Most unusual aircraft and I think the only prototype.

They actually built three, one was a miltary version called the Mars,
from wikipedia-With a French Air Force requirement to replace the Douglas C-47 and Amiot AAC-1 Breguet started development of the Breguet 890 as a medium-capacity military transport.[2] The commercial transport prototype designated the Breguet 890H Mercure was an all-metal cantilever high-wing monoplane powered by two 2,000 hp (1,491 kW) Bristol Hercules radial engines. It had a retractable tricycle landing gear and, advanced for its day, a swing tail to allow access (using a loading ramp) into the fuselage for heavy equipment and vehicles. A military prototype was also built under the designation Breguet 891R Mars, it retained the swing tail but had provision for 20 paratroopers and was powered by two 1,600 hp (1,193 kW) Gnome-Rhône 14R-200 radial engines. The Mars had parachute doors on each side of the fuselage, a floor chute for dropping containers and also a towing hook for a glider.

The third variant and the first to fly on 1 March 1949 was a convertible passenger/cargo aircraft, designated the Breguet 892S Mercure. Although based on the 890H the 892S had four 500 hp (373 kW) Renault 12S inline piston engines.[1] It had a large cargo door on the starboard side and two passenger doors in the port side. When fitted with seats it could carry 40 passengers.[1]

Only one prototype of each variant was built, the French Air Force ordered the Nord Noratlas rather than the Mars and with the availability of war-surplus aircraft like the Douglas DC-3 available to commercial operators the type did not enter production.
 

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Reply #1316 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 9:36pm

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LWM...yours has eluded me as well!!! The wing definitely looks like the Etrich/Rumpler Taubes, but this one the pilot and passenger are slung underneath....can't find this one!!!!  Unless it was Herr Etrich's first prototype?

It might be the 1910 Grade Monoplane???
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Reply #1315 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 9:18pm

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Kiwi...
Boy you found a rare one in this one!!!
Took me a while but I found it I believe. Built late 1948-49
The Breguet Aviation Br.892 Mercure passenger version of the military transport with the installation of four SNECMA Renault 12S-02 engines (the French version of Argus AS 411 engines) with a capacity of 570 hp.

Most unusual aircraft and I think the only prototype.
 

If God is your Co-pilot...switch seats...
Your attitude will determine your altitude!- John Maxwell
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free. Jn 8:32
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Reply #1314 - Sep 9th, 2017 at 9:51pm

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Anyone know why the "Last Post" function for this topic has ceased working on the main page? Everytime I click on it it it goes to post 1293 and that is what shows on the topic page despite the fact that we are up to post 1326
 

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Reply #1313 - Sep 9th, 2017 at 1:17am

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Hueyv77, I think the airplane you flew was Ed Fisher Senior's Cassutt. It was medium blue with white trim and carried race number 40. I knew Ed Fisher's son Ed during the 70s and 80s and also got to fly the Cassutt on a couple of occasions. I also got to fly the prototype Zippy Sport before the fuselage was lengthened.
 

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Reply #1312 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 10:45pm

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Those engines look British or European.  Interesting aircraft.
Tom
 

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Reply #1311 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 9:12pm

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Continuing on a similar theme what is this one?
 


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Reply #1310 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 6:33pm

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Yes Kiwi - that is what it looks like - a DC-5  -  "Shoulder wing" and tricycle landing gear - only 12 made "The Douglas Commercial Model 5 was developed in 1938 as a 16-22 seat [1] civilian airliner, designed to use either Pratt & Whitney R-1690 Hornet or Wright R-1820 Cyclone engines.[2] It was the first airliner to combine shoulder wings and tricycle landing gear, a configuration that is still common in turboprop airliners and military transport aircraft, although the modern versions are actually high wing, as the structure sits atop the fuselage shell rather than intersecting a significant segment. [3] The tricycle landing gear was innovative for transport airplanes. It provided better ground handling and better ground visibility for the pilots.  A very early design change was the addition of a 15-degree dihedral to the horizontal tail group to negate a hint of an aeroelasticity problem.  Another significant modification was adding exhaust stacks to the engine nacelles.
Here is the Wiki pic ...  (THE SAME PIC  !! LOL) Roll Eyes
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Reply #1309 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 3:21pm

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I reckon it's a DC-5
 

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Reply #1308 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 12:29pm

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I believe some called her the Douglas Mystery Airliner...I think 12 were made before WWII.  Might make a nice model for a twin!
Tom
 

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Reply #1307 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 11:26am

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Lastwoodsman. Try a couple of models later, the DC3 was a low winger. [or perhaps it was a mistyped answer]
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