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Reply #24 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 8:41pm

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Don't get ahead of yourself, MM.  Grin  I would recommend that before matte finishes and pigmented paints...you seal that tissue.  Therein lay the rub...traditionally the hobby has utilized clear dope for that...but in various locations, the environmentalists have gotten the upper hand.  So just about everything under the sun has been tried.  Me...I'm a "doper," in spite of the wife's objections to the smell.  The other guys are using something  newer and "gentler."  Grin  All these other guys can steer you in the right direction.  I tried Future floor polish once...worked but took forever to thoroughly dry (I ultimately doped over everything).  Anyway...after you've applied the seal coat...then you proceed to create your work of art.  I'm a firm believer that FINISH is the most dramatic part of a model's character.  Just imagine a plastic Ford Victoria with no finish...then imagine a really detailed final model...and you'll get the picture.  Smiley  So artist...prepare your canvas carefully.  Wink

This is only a suggestion. It's quite possible that I have much to learn. Wink  I'm remiss to tell anyone how to do a procedure or what materials to use...because really, a hobby (imo) is all about working with whatever you're comfortable with.  I'm certain that you've already arrived at your own conclusions during your modeling lifetime.  Smiley Smiley

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Reply #23 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:51pm

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Woodsman, I don't think it is "Mastered".  It's more along the line of "Dumb Luck".   It has only been shrunk so I am wondering what it will do when I spritz it with Krylon acrylic matte clear and airbrushed with some Tamiya paint thinned with alcohol.  That is the products I have on hand so I hope it works.
 

You can solve ANY flight problem with the correct load in your Mossberg.
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Reply #22 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 6:16pm

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MM - there is nothing shoddy about that plane - looks like you have mastered tissue covering! Congratulations are in order!

LW
 

OH, I HAVE SLIPPED THE SURLY BONDS OF EARTH ... UP, UP THE LONG DELIRIOUS BURNING BLUE ... SUNWARD I'VE CLIMBED AND JOINED THE TUMBLING MIRTH OF SUN-SPLIT CLOUDS ...
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Reply #21 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm

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Neal, those photos do not clutter my build thread, they are very welcome.  Your DH 2 is lovely!!!  Your photos and Woodsmans photos help hide my shoddy workmanship on my build!!!   I am sure that in my journey of building wood and tissue kits I will botch a few and mangle up some covering jobs but that is just part of the process.  As far as rigging, you never know until you try.  My first might look like a 7 year olds box kite but I will try again. 

For the L19, I have most if not all of it covered and just have a few details yet to work out.  The tissue in this kit worked out much better for me than what was in the Lancer.  It looks and feels like much better quality than what I got in the lancer.  Here is where I am now and I will post up some pics when I get it completed.
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I'll tell you guys this much, this has been more fun than stuffing a straw hat through a key hole and made me happier than a hobo wearing a green tie!!!!!!!!!
 

You can solve ANY flight problem with the correct load in your Mossberg.
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Reply #20 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 12:44pm

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First...I must apologize for cluttering your build with my photos. Huh  MM...here's a DH2 that I built way back in the 80's...no plan...just eyeballed it so-to-speak and measured a 3-view to get the proportions relatively correct.  Of course...used lots of photo references.  Wingspan is 18" and was intended to follow in the spirit of Guillow's original WWI series (built as a kid at the end of the last ice age).  As you can see...construction of the actual model is pretty straight-forward.  Then comes the rigging.  Wink  As LWM says...lots of rigging...in fact...it's all rigging. Smiley  Still, I wouldn't let that slow you down...it's nothing that can't be managed.  Just keep in mind...for display, is great...but to fly, there's the problem of motor length.  It's a perfect subject for display...or electric Free Flight.

You're doin' great on the Birddog.  Good job on the covering...at one time or another, that's every modeler's bug-a-boo (gremlin). Smiley

Neal
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Reply #19 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 9:50am

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MM - I bought the DH2 kit from Ozark Model Aviation (Mike Midkiff) 28" 1:12 scale $55, and I have shelved it until later on - no rigging diagrams or instructions on the plans - it is a complex build, and the only rigging diagram I could find is the "DH-2 Rigging Guide by T. L. West2009"  www.zoygig.com ; - there are free plans to print out from "Outerzone" and plans to buy from "Cleveland Airlines"

LW
 

OH, I HAVE SLIPPED THE SURLY BONDS OF EARTH ... UP, UP THE LONG DELIRIOUS BURNING BLUE ... SUNWARD I'VE CLIMBED AND JOINED THE TUMBLING MIRTH OF SUN-SPLIT CLOUDS ...
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Reply #18 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 9:38am

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MM - there is a lot of complex rigging in the DH2. The way you are going is just right - especially cutting your teeth on the easy rigging of the Dumas Eindecker ( I really recommend the Spad 7 after the EIII, because it is an easy next step in a different rigging style).  I am sure you will do just fine with the easy Eindecker and I look forward to your build and lots of pics! Smiley
I built my EIII, but am in the process of adding a balsa prop and pilot after looking at it for so long without a nice prop and pilot - just a static display - here is a couple of pics

LW
 

OH, I HAVE SLIPPED THE SURLY BONDS OF EARTH ... UP, UP THE LONG DELIRIOUS BURNING BLUE ... SUNWARD I'VE CLIMBED AND JOINED THE TUMBLING MIRTH OF SUN-SPLIT CLOUDS ...
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Reply #17 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 9:20am

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Woodsman, I just drooled all over my keyboard looking at your Spad.  I have that plane on my want to do list.  I really want to try a de havilland dh 2.  Anyone make a kit of that or is it one I would have to do from some plans?  When I finish the Eindecker, I have a laser cut Nieuport to try unless I practice a little more on some Pipers and Cessnas.  I figure the more I do the more I learn what NOT to do and my skills will improve.  My next step is to sell off a big pile of plastic, I think I just might be done with that!
 

You can solve ANY flight problem with the correct load in your Mossberg.
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Reply #16 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 9:02am

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I built the Eindecker also and it also has great rigging plans - all you need is stretch thread! Smiley

LW
 

OH, I HAVE SLIPPED THE SURLY BONDS OF EARTH ... UP, UP THE LONG DELIRIOUS BURNING BLUE ... SUNWARD I'VE CLIMBED AND JOINED THE TUMBLING MIRTH OF SUN-SPLIT CLOUDS ...
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Reply #15 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 8:57am

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Hello MM - glad to see you like the balsa stuff - in my humble opinion, if you want a simple, easy to build WW1 bipe to build, with the easiest and best plans for a first introduction to "rigging" - so easy with this model, all you need is black stretch thread (or gray or what ever), the rigging instructions and diagrams are so great on this model,  the relatively recent release Dumas "SPAD 7" 18" kit #238

http://www.dumasproducts.com/product_info.php?cPath=137_60&products_id=1196

 
I hope that link works ...
it actually has Mahogany laser  cut struts with all of the rigging holes pre-drilled and super easy rigging diagrams. A genuinely super kit and you are more than ready for a bipe !  Here is a couple of pics of mine - just a static display, because I carved a "Chauvier Integrale" prop for it.  I will eat my hat if you don't think this is one of the coolest kits ever!
 

OH, I HAVE SLIPPED THE SURLY BONDS OF EARTH ... UP, UP THE LONG DELIRIOUS BURNING BLUE ... SUNWARD I'VE CLIMBED AND JOINED THE TUMBLING MIRTH OF SUN-SPLIT CLOUDS ...
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Reply #14 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:35am

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Hahaha!  Yep, that's right Woodsman, 50+ years of plastic cars with a good amount of Armor mixed in.  This wood thing is quite a change but I find it very enjoyable.  I am still learning how to pick up parts and even the build itself without destroying it.  This takes a much lighter touch than with plastic.  I find this hobby makes you think more while trying to make it look nice AND make it function.  With plastic, you can detail all you want but it just sits on the shelf and looks pretty in the end.  I can play with this stuff!!!   I am only on my second build ever and I have been following your thread and a few others.  It gives me a level to shoot for, your stuff looks just wonderful.  I have not yet tried a laser cut kit yet but the next is a Dumas Eindecker EIII where I will try my hand at some rigging.  All this is the most fun I have had while wearing clothes in some time.  Thank you for the encouragement and I will keep trying to improve and learn.  You keep building the beautiful stuff you do and I will keep watching.
 

You can solve ANY flight problem with the correct load in your Mossberg.
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Reply #13 - Jun 18th, 2017 at 10:05pm

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Your plane looks great MM.  Watch out! - this balsa plane kit hobby is very addicting!   Personally, I found the Dumas kits to have great instructions, great plans, and easy builds - all laser cut - I never flew one yet though ... I only just now got my first "built-up fuse"  22" Sig Cabinaire "trimmed out" and flying with 20 seconds of rubber power run ... a very rewarding and gratifying feeling ... 50 years of plastic styrene you say ?
 

OH, I HAVE SLIPPED THE SURLY BONDS OF EARTH ... UP, UP THE LONG DELIRIOUS BURNING BLUE ... SUNWARD I'VE CLIMBED AND JOINED THE TUMBLING MIRTH OF SUN-SPLIT CLOUDS ...
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Reply #12 - Jun 18th, 2017 at 4:11pm

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Very nice job!!! She's going to be a beauty!
Tom
 

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Reply #11 - Jun 17th, 2017 at 7:44pm

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An elegant & well-engineered solution. I like it!
 
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Reply #10 - Jun 17th, 2017 at 7:19pm

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Despite my heavy-handedness at times, this thing is moving right along.  After reading replies I attached the wings in this method shown.  It might be overkill to some but I could imagine this thing dropping a wing into the ground and doing cartwheels so hopefully this will help keep one wing from ripping off.  The angle is set, the dihedral and the whole unit drops over the cabin just right. 
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Someone asked for a pic of the plan.  Here is the exploded view and plan. 
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The only thing stated on the plan is the wings are shown separated.  I am guessing the builder knows to build them as one unit maybe?  There are only two connectors shown but I added some extra lumber and gussets.  Again, it might be overkill but I am still learning.  Everyone here has been very helpful, I thank you for that.
 

You can solve ANY flight problem with the correct load in your Mossberg.
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