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Question: Is there enough interest in an Obscure Aircraft Cookup
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Any obscure aircraft or prototype    
  2 (50.0%)
Any obscure aircraft 27" span or greater    
  0 (0.0%)
Any obscure aircraft in peanut scale    
  1 (25.0%)
Any obscure aircraft in dime scale/simple scale    
  1 (25.0%)




Total votes: 4
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Reply #12 - Mar 16th, 2019 at 10:30pm

neoflight   Online

Darnit...now how am I
gonna get that down!

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This might fit the bill

Per Wikipedia,

The F 19 Ente was a high-wing monoplane with a canard layout and fixed tricycle undercarriage. The pilot sat in an open cockpit, while an enclosed cabin was provided for two or three passengers. The canard was mounted on short struts above the nose of the aircraft, ahead of the cockpit, and the two engines were housed in nacelles mounted under the wings.

The F 19 design was set so that the front stabilizer would stall some moments before the rear-mounted main wing, which in theory made the Ente virtually stall-proof.

The first example flew on 2 September 1927 but was destroyed on 29 September during a demonstration of single-engine flight, after a control rod snapped. Focke-Wulf co-founder Georg Wulf was killed in the crash. Nevertheless, a second aircraft (D-1960) was built, flying in late 1930.[2] This was used for a promotional tour of Europe the following year which took it to Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, Belgium, and the UK. On 7 November 1931, it was demonstrated at Hanworth Air Park, flown by Focke-Wulf chief pilot Cornelius Edzard.

Later, it was put on display at the Deutsche Luftfahrtsammlung in Berlin, where it was destroyed in an Allied air raid in 1944.

 

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Reply #11 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 12:57am

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Wiki says the airplane got about 25 feet into the air and then rolled inverted and crashed. If we go down the roll stability line of thinking, then some things are apparent...no dihedral anywhere, short wingspan, odd aileron concept that may have contributed to roll problems. Other than that, little info found so far.

I think a test glider is a good idea! Bigger foreplane with considerable dihedral, added dihedral to main wings, eliminate the weird ailerons, CG forward of the wing leading edge.
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Reply #10 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 8:50pm

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Now that is really an unusual design, Alf.  Be helpful to have some info as to what the aircraft did on its initial flight attempt...nose/tail heavy...got the CG wrong?  If you're serious about getting it to fly...might help to come up with some kind of mockup...a general configuration you can make "adjustments" to...and once you've got her floating along...launch into a full-blown scale version.  How about something like a dime(nickel)-glider?

That is a wild design...would have been great if it had proven successful!  Very advanced! Smiley  I'd be tempted to "hedge" on that wingspan as well...longer...as well as the foreplane (canard).

Just my thoughts.... Wink

Neal
 
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Reply #9 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 3:34pm

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Here is something not seen often, a French WW1 pusher that really pushes the envelope. If I dive into this, I'll be counting on you folks to help get this thing into the air!

I'm thinking of building a peanut sized glider first to see if there's any chance of it flying. I'm starting with the assumption that the airplane needed dihedral and a bigger foreplane.

Oh, and I think it's pronounced like "duh brew-yeah".
 
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Reply #8 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:07pm

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Another great airplane and nice find.  My guess on the thing sticking up behind the engine was an exhaust vent to keep the exhaust out of the cockpit while doing ground test and engine runups...IMHO
 

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Reply #7 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 10:58am

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This Vultee V-11T probably qualifies! Pres Bruning has a peanut plan for it. Anyone have an idea what that thing sticking up behind the engine is? The airplane was used for engine testing.
 

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Reply #6 - Feb 8th, 2019 at 6:30pm

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I started a Mystery Tailless fiction fighter years ago but never finished it. Just brushed the dust off of it. If this qualifies for this I would be in.
Paul
 
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Reply #5 - Feb 7th, 2019 at 5:22pm

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I think that anything posted in the mystery aircraft section would qualify as well as anything that was a one-off, or that was an obvious experimental version of a known aircraft, like the Grumman XF4F-3S WildCatfish.
ian
 

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Reply #4 - Feb 7th, 2019 at 7:40am

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I can't join either, I'm up to my elbows in the Marcoux Bromberg and I have come to realize that I don't have the time and, as with Mike, I build way to slow as well. Would, however, like the definition of "obscure" that you will be using. Look forward to the outcome and some terrific models.
Mike
 

Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it. (Salvador Dali 1904 - 1989)
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Reply #3 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 9:45pm

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Can't join in on this one now - I'm overcommitted on builds and I build too slow.

Mike
 
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Reply #2 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 12:21pm

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I'll have to look up what a obscure airplane is Shocked
Paul
 
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Reply #1 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 7:19pm

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I don't think that I'll have my plan ready for the trimotor cookup, so a dimescale obscure aircraft will still fit the bill.
ian
 
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Feb 5th, 2019 at 5:20pm

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Well Kittyfritters suggested an Obscure Aircraft Cookup for those modelers who want to turn out another model this winter!  So all those interested in a cookup let us know please vote once.
Sky9pilot
 

If God is your Co-pilot...switch seats...
Your attitude will determine your altitude!- John Maxwell
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free. Jn 8:32
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