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Message started by Ed OBrien on Jul 8th, 2017 at 5:38pm

Title: Eze Dope
Post by Ed OBrien on Jul 8th, 2017 at 5:38pm
I saw some of this at the hobby shop this afternoon. Water soluble great. There are a couple of videos about this but they look like company propaganda. Anyone NOT affiliated with the manufacturer or US importer tried this stuff with Esaki tissue? I think it might be imported because, well, what isn't? Also because the woman narrating the company how-to video has an English accent. Not that I have anything against the Brits. I lived there for 3 1/2 years and loved it.

Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 8th, 2017 at 8:18pm
My experience with EzeDope is as follows:

I do not recommend using it straight from the bottle!!!

You can check out my post in building the Rutango twin on the Any Twin Cookup: Click Here

If you are going to brush the finish on please dilute it, I recommend 70/30 water/Ezedope.  If you shake the bottle to mix it let it set for a day to remove all the bubbles.  They'll wreck your finish, don't ask how I know. Once again do not shake the bottle to mix it up before application, rather stir with a stick.  I have also used an old hairspray pump bottle (one the wife used up, and I flushed with hot water to clear out the pump and bottle.)  I have used this pump bottle to spritz the tissue and then pinned down the wing & stabs while they dry to avoid warps.  I usually place waxed balsa sticks (an old crayon or preferrably white candle) under the surfaces to allow air to pass under as well as over the surfaces as they dry.  I haven't tried airbrushing yet. That may happen in the future.  It is water based and cleans up easily and doesn't smell.  A good soft wide brush works well.  The tissue will sag if it's been shrunk already or applied wet.  But usually shrinks back nicely.  It usually takes two to three light coats to get the finish on the tissue I desire before adding any paint.  Be especially careful while brushing to avoid runs they will dry hard in droplets ruining your finish.  Don't ask how I know about that either!   :-[ :-/ >:( ;)

I haven't used dope in years.  I'm learning to like EzeDope but I also use Krylon Chrystal Clear gloss & flat to semi seal the tissue and allow that to dry.   

Not as strong as EzeDope or Dope itself but does work for my smaller models.
tom   

Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by shipwreck on Jul 12th, 2018 at 12:49pm
Hey Tom how did ya know not to shake it....lol
I have been using Krylon for the last two small ships i build. I have used Super Phatic from deluxe just have not made my mind up on that yet. A club member showed me that he uses future floor wax but still has to much of a smell for my wife. I will try a bottle of the ezeDope. thanks for the info Tom.
Paul

Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:43pm
Check out the link to the Rutango because there's more details on the application of EzeDope and mixture.
Tom

Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by shipwreck on Jul 13th, 2018 at 1:17pm
Thanks i will check it out.
Paul
were would i find that?  ::)

Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 13th, 2018 at 7:04pm
couple of links listed below.  One goes to the tissue and finish board and the other goes to the Rutango build of Pete and Myself in the Any Twin Cookup... Here's a link to that referrence, you'll need to read a page or two to find all the details of the EzeDope.  Dilution formulas... I've settled on 70/30  water/EzeDope.  For brushing or spraying.  Even the second coat wrinkles the tissue but as it dries it shrinks back again.  Click Here
sky9pilot/Tom

Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by shipwreck on Jul 14th, 2018 at 1:33pm
Thanks Tom

Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by alfakilo on Sep 26th, 2018 at 9:47am
Has the mottled appearance in the EZDope finish been solved yet? I've read the suggested links and see the same whitish blemishes in my Loire46 wing. I use a 50/50 water mix, stirred not shaken, and brushed on. Haven't tried airbrushing yet.

I like the overall qualities of EZDope but have seen these blemishes before and would like to avoid them, if possible.
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Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by Sky9pilot on Sep 26th, 2018 at 10:47am
Gotta go thinner mix...at least 70/30 water/EzeDope and can't apply too heavily on each coat.  I believe the cause of the white spot is a bit of pooling of the application as it dries. Almost have to use a very dry brush or foam brush on application in my experience.
Tom

Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by alfakilo on Sep 26th, 2018 at 11:37am
I'll try that. I was quite concerned about poking thru the tissue when applying the thinned EZDope and consequently probably slopped it on too much. Maybe airbrushing is the better idea.

Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by Sky9pilot on Sep 26th, 2018 at 1:25pm
I haven't tried airbrushing EzeDope...I'm a bit lazy and don't want to tear down the brush to clean the Ezedope completely out of the brush.  With the acrylics I'm able to clean with several douses of Windex through the brush into the cleaning bottle, made from an old 2 liter soda bottle.  Allows cleaning and eliminates over spray while cleaning.  That's another subject. 

You might try cutting another grey tissue pattern and apply it to the area.  Save masking for the airbrush and spraying the grey. 
Tom

Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by staubkorb on Sep 26th, 2018 at 6:43pm
I ruined my cheapo airbrush using that gunk, even tho I immediately cleaned it (siphon-feed single action from REVELL).  The stuff dries ever so slightly in the time that one lets up on the spraying that it eventually clogs (if you get that far).  After one finishes "cleaning", the bit that has dried is not visible and is nearly impossible to remove - even acetone didn't help mine, plus plastic doesn't mix well with acetone.

YMMV...

Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by Neoflight on Oct 18th, 2018 at 11:52am
Thanks for the heads up, Staubkorb. I've never used EzeDope but have given it a thought to try. Your experience cinches it for me. My airbrush is already very sensitive to water based acrylics. Eze won't be used.

Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by shipwreck on Mar 7th, 2019 at 7:56pm
I have been having some good luck with the EzeDope. Three light coats with a brush 40% EzeDope to 60% water. I have been pretty shrinking on a frame before applying to my light weight frames.
Paul
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Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by New Builder on Mar 8th, 2019 at 8:30am
I use EZE Dope only and have no trouble with brushing it on. The fairly standard dilution of 30%/70% (dope/water) is about the best. My technique of using a brush varies quite a lot from most ideas about brushing. Most people hold the brush in a very upright manner and that pushes down on the tissue and risks a hole in the damp tissue. The picture is of the wing for my Mr. Mulligan from the Comet Cookup. I decided to recover it but was disappointed with the rather crude building technique I used so rebuilt and covered it. Covering is Hallmark tissue attached with UHU Clear glue stick and shrunk with water. The coating is one coat of EZE Dope and absolutely no mottling, puddling or runs. The pictures show the wing and the angle I use to hold the brush. The brush is an artists brush and called a mop. It is very soft and holds quite a lot of liquid. Dip only the tip into the dope, drain it slightly on the edge of the jar and drag it along the length of the item. Don't stop during the application as that will cause puddling and make sure there are no bare spots as they will show up when least expected and do not touch the area when done as this will definitely cause problems. I clean my brush in water and dish soap and have never had a problem with accumulated dry dope. I also comb out the bristles (probably a bit of OCD here but my workshop brushes are a good as new also) so they dry straight and stand the brush upright to dry.
Mike
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Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by shipwreck on Mar 9th, 2019 at 1:31pm
Hi Mike
Are you using domestic tissue?
Paul

Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by New Builder on Mar 10th, 2019 at 6:17am
Hi Paul - Yes it is domestic and is Hallmark tissue. I have tried others from the Dollar Store but they were a bit delicate for my method and the consistency is all over the map but Hallmark is very consistent in quality. For some reason Hallmark is available in many colors except yellow and it only comes four sheets to a package with several other colors, at least in the Wallmart store near me.
Mike

Title: Re: Eze Dope
Post by Sky9pilot on Mar 10th, 2019 at 4:31pm
Walmart carries Hallmark tissue as well....you might check their supplies for various colors.
Tom

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