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Message started by bigrip74 on Dec 20th, 2018 at 12:48pm

Title: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Dec 20th, 2018 at 12:48pm
I just pulled out the P-47 Razorback and the F8F Bearcat (from behind some boxes now that I am able to really move around now) that I had built from Tom Akery's dime scale plans and thought maybe for a cookup down the road what about using his plans. Im off to FedEx to pickup some of those plans that I had emailed to my local FedEx to see if this is a viable
option to wailing inline for them to use my USB.

One more idea, how about having a postal contest with the finished aircraft.

Bob


Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Brad on Dec 21st, 2018 at 3:43pm
What is a Postal contest?

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 9:20am
"Postal" refers to a contest in which a modeler packages and mails his/her model to a "Proxy" to fly it for him/her...then return it by same method.

Neal

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 10th, 2019 at 6:42pm
Was there any interest in a Tom Akery plans cookup?

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by shipwreck on Jun 14th, 2019 at 3:20pm
I would be up for it. Just keep me posted. Crazy busy here.
Paul

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Post by alfakilo on Jun 14th, 2019 at 5:01pm
Me too! Count me in!!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 14th, 2019 at 5:49pm
OK! that's 3 and the plans section has several interesting plans that Tom put together.

I have persnally built the P-47 razorback, F8F Bearcat in the yellow color scheme of Beetle Bomb of the Blue Angels, and have wanted to build the Banshee F2H2P.

http://freeflightarchive.com/index.php

If you are unable to find the Tom Akery plans just send me a PM with your email address and Ill send you a pdf.

The following are the plans list:
Ambrosini_Supersette
27 inch IAR 80
36 inch Connie Starliner
44 inch Connie Starliner
54 inch 1649 Starliner
A1E Skyraider
B-66 A3D2 plan
Banshee F2H2P
banshee F2H3
Bearcat pseudo dimer
Beechcraft xa38 grizzley destroyer CG CALCULATED
Bell X1
Bregret_960_Vultur_plan
C_133_Cargomaster_44_inch_span
C130_HERCULES_30_INCH_001
Cessna_210_27_inch
Convair_B58_27_span
Curtiss_F11C_Goshawk
Dewoitine D520 SPORT SCALE 18 SPAN
Dewoitine_520_PSEUDO_DIMER_16_SPAN
Dorastonian_FW-190-D9_Bostonian
EC_121_H
F7F_3N_Tigercat_36_INCH
Fletcher_FU24_nocal
fliteways special
Funfdekker_vostonian
heinkel_hd21
Hustler_500
IAR_80_plan
Lavochkin_La_11_fang
Macchi__MC72_plan_001
Macchi_MC72_draft
messerschmitt_p1111
mr_awesome_yak11
New_Standard_D25a_03_2012__REVISED
Ol VI Smilin Jack
P_47_dime_scale_2
Pilatus_PC6_NoCal
ripslinger revised
Rohrbach Roland
Smilin_Jack_X-13_plan
Starship_2000a_25_inch_span
Vought_F5U_Flying_Flapjack
X_13_Smilin_28in_oz9928
xf84h_thunderscreech_27_span


Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 14th, 2019 at 6:03pm
Please note that a few of those are redrawn plans or enlarged plans that someone else designed. 

I didn't realize I had that many on the new site!!!  Most haven't been flown yet! So any problems or suggestions for improvement of the plans would be readily accepted! 

I guess you can put me down too.  I'll have to decide which one.
Tom

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 14th, 2019 at 6:57pm
OK! that (4) and your plans do note if they were redrawn from some one else's.

I cannot wait to build another :D I have always looked at the Grizzly since Ive read up on it back in the 1970's ::)


Bob

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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 15th, 2019 at 2:08am
I have spent most of the day doing research for this cookup. As in the past I had been excited about joining in with others and especially watching everyone's posts on their building techniques and tips that I am able to use to enhance my own building experience.

MKelly has really lit a fire under me with his posts on his Earl Stahl Spitfire re: how he stencils the panel lines on his aircraft. I had used a Sharpie fine point after dope and usually cut the tissue if I pressed too hard on the tissue.

With the fire I now have I wanted to try to  pass on my enthusiasm and get everyone enthused about airplanes. The plan is to post about each plan starting with the first and the last plan and meet in the middle. I have posted Wikipedia links on most of the plans subject and YouTube videos along with photos of the real aircraft, just to make it fun.

The first one is the Douglas A1E Skyraider:

Douglas A-1 Skyraider
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-1_Skyraider

A1-E Skyraider cockpit video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVkmz3zosH4

Vietnam AD Skyraider
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz12Ko-E8-8

Douglas A-1 Skyraider Flybys - Northern Illinois Airshow
2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tagcgGVNKZo


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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 15th, 2019 at 2:28am
This next airplane I have not heard of (shows you how out of date I am) a YAK 11 called Mr. Awesome that has raced at the RENO air races.
From what I’ve gathered while researching this plan subject, the airplane has been really modified for racing. I am used to P-51’s, F8F’s, and the Formula One and Vee racers, but never a YAK. WOW! I have been asleep for the past few years. It’s like the older generation of my family back in the late 1960’s and 1970’s with the automobiles and airplanes changing faster then we could keep up.
Any way! Enjoy the read and the videos.

Yak-11 Mr. Awesome
http://www.texasairandspacemuseum.org/yak-11-mr-awesome.html

Mister Awesome Yak 11 Air Racer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdngoX_dp6Q

https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=mr_awesome_yak11.PDF (368 KB | 31 )
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 15th, 2019 at 10:10am
I've seen a Yak racer, Bob...don't think it was that particular aircraft however.  It was painted, appropriately...overall red.  ;)  Also in the air at the same race was a Hawker Sea Fury with its 5-bladed prop, a P-47D Razorback, and numerous Mustangs.  The Sea Fury won the race...but the announcer let everyone know that it was only for exhibition...all out balls-to-the-wall flying was just to much wear-n-tear on hard to replace engines.  That was OK...great sight!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]  Merlins sound wonderful, but there's nothing quite like the sound of a really big powerful radial engine...up close and personal.  :D :)

Here's one of Tom's designs that...I had just finished an EasyBuilt He112...in Romanian markings...and the discussion turned to the Romanian AF during WW2...specifically the IAR80.  Tom quickly produced a dime-scale plan...which I proceeded to build.  I think when he "cautions" us that a design has never been constructed...he's suggesting there may be some design spots to be cured with a sanding block or even the knife.  NO PROBLEM...tell me what design doesn't require mods?  ;)  I thought the IAR80 came together nicely with no serious design issues...and a great story behind it too.

Oh...I'd like to be in on this cookup as well, Bob...with a Tom design you haven't mentioned thus far...the Nakajima Ki43 Hayabusa (OSCAR)...dime scale.

Neal
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Ki43_Oscar_Pseudo_Dime_Scale.pdf (349 KB | 30 )
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jun 15th, 2019 at 11:01am

bigrip74 wrote on Jun 14th, 2019 at 5:49pm:
The following are the plans list:


Are there other plans?

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jun 15th, 2019 at 11:11am
I'm in with the Lavochkin La11 Fang if nobody minds a slow build. Got two planes on the board now but this plane has had my attention ever since I saw it in one of the threads here in S&T.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 15th, 2019 at 1:44pm
@Neal: I remember your IAR 80 build it is a beautiful airplane. Have you flown it yet? Thanks for posting the K I43 plans.

@alf: I just spoke with Tom to get permission to repost his plans in this post and found out that I had been overlooking the link to his plans in the plans archive. So Ill post a link later in this post.

@New Builder: I could not find much in the way of photos, Wikipedia article, or videos on the FANG so if you have anything please post it here.

HERE IS THE LINK TO TOM AKERY PLANS: Click Here


Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 15th, 2019 at 2:11pm
I have posted the link to the plans in reply #14. It shows 33 plans, but not all. So if you see a plan on the list in reply #6 that is not in the plan section just PM me with your email address and Ill shoot you a pdf.

Tom, has told me that he will add more plans to the list in the plans section soon.


Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 15th, 2019 at 2:54pm
I have flown my T.Akery IAR80!  Truth is...I'm not much of a flyer however...not since the days when I was splattering my rc ships (last rc build was indeed a splatter-job! :o).  Soooo...I suppose that I don't work very hard at perfecting that skill.  BUT...you guys out there, with your skills at cracked-rib wings, etc...and careful wood selection...could build an IAR80 that would fly away......  In fact, I see that Tom somewhat redesigned the model...increased to 27"ws...maybe shifted some weight further forward...all in the interest of flight.

I read somewhere that the Soviets didn't treat anyone associated with the IAR80 design and operations, well after the war...seems its miniscule numbers had been a real torn in their sides.  But then...the Soviets were never known to be good guys. :) ;)

As for Tom's Oscar design...I actually found it by accident...looking on OuterZone for a Ki43 design...and there was Tom's!  Seems he's cornered the field in the rubber category. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Just a word...Tom's plans are very attractive...until I try to print them for building.  Maybe's it's just my problem, but black lines with higher density are more "serviceable."  Color seems to get lost in the printing.  Best I can do is print it in grey-scale.  Ok...tell me to take a flying leap.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif] ;) :D ;D

Neal

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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 15th, 2019 at 3:03pm
Neal, I build more than I fly but that does not stop me from building more.

If you go to Fedex or any facility to print out the plans that are in color have them print it out in black only. If you print out on your printer it has a function where you can have it print in black only also.

I have narrowed my selection down to (5) possibles in order of interest:

P-47 Razorback
F8F Bearcat
F2H3 Banshee
Beechcraft XA38 Grizzley Destroyer
X 13 Smilin Jack Racer

Bob
edit 9/21/2019: Click to Tom's plans on FreeFlightArchive.com



Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 15th, 2019 at 3:23pm
I just took time to notice the file size of the plans and some are below the 400kb so I will post those inside the post for that airplane. The others that are above 400kb are in the link to the plans archive.

One of my favorite plans is the F8F Bearcat..

Grumman F8F Bearcat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XcI1RCXXJU

F8F Bearcat & F4U4 Corsair Punta Gorda FL Airshow 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0oAN6m3ebY

F8F-2 Bearcat "Rare Bear" Reno 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CQLpByAbns

Grumman F8F Bearcat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F8F_Bearcat


https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Bearcat_pseudo_dimer.PDF (351 KB | 51 )
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F8F_002_001.jpg (318 KB | 24 )
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jun 16th, 2019 at 8:48am

Quote:
I could not find much in the way of photos, Wikipedia article, or videos on the FANG so if you have anything please post it here

Bob -I could not find much on the Fang other than the military photos that abound on the net but did find one vague reference to the "Red Menace" but only in writing. Looking to Google for Red Menace brings way more than I ever wanted to know about those references and will keep looking for race plane photos and write ups. Maybe Skydiamonds has something. I'll check there, I need to catch up with him.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 16th, 2019 at 10:59am

New Builder wrote on Jun 16th, 2019 at 8:48am:

Quote:
I could not find much in the way of photos, Wikipedia article, or videos on the FANG so if you have anything please post it here

Bob -I could not find much on the Fang other than the military photos that abound on the net but did find one vague reference to the "Red Menace" but only in writing. Looking to Google for Red Menace brings way more than I ever wanted to know about those references and will keep looking for race plane photos and write ups. Maybe Skydiamonds has something. I'll check there, I need to catch up with him.
Mike


Mike, that is usually my case. I find more than I wish to know about things that I did not even wanted to know were out there. :o

I noticed that the FANG has some silver showing.

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 16th, 2019 at 11:23am
Tom, has a new plan for the CURTISS XP-40. Look at Skypilots first post in the dime scale section titled "Pseudo_Dime_Scale_XP-40"

alf has contributed some 3 views that really show the aircraft in detail.

Curtiss P-40 Warhawk variants
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-40_Warhawk_variants#XP-40

Curtiss P-40 Warhawk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-40_Warhawk

Great Planes - P 40 Warhawk Documentary HD 2 of 17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dCW3qS0-lM

Curtiss P-40 American Fighter Aircraft - Historical Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD90PrBvQbs&t=20s

Curtiss P-40B Pearl Harbour Veteran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBrjdobW2p0

Ways of the War Hawk: How to Fly the Curtiss P-40 Fighter (Color, 1944)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUcqbytR9Ts&t=41s

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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 16th, 2019 at 11:25am
Here are alf's, three views:

https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=XP-40_top_veiw.pdf (269 KB | 35 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=xp-40_bottom_and_right_side_veiw.pdf (261 KB | 29 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=XP-40_Front_and_Rear_veiw.pdf (233 KB | 35 )

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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 16th, 2019 at 11:33am
Again here is the link to the plans:
http://freeflightarchive.com/index.php/our-staff/94-model-aircraft-plans/329-sky9pilot-s-plans

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Post by alfakilo on Jun 16th, 2019 at 11:54am
The Bell X-1 pusher looks like a challenge! I'm in!!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 16th, 2019 at 12:06pm
OK! that's enough to make it a campaign (COOKUP). Since its now summer when would be a good starting date?

Bob

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Post by New Builder on Jun 16th, 2019 at 12:13pm
How about 1st day of summer, next Friday?
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 16th, 2019 at 12:31pm

New Builder wrote on Jun 16th, 2019 at 12:13pm:
How about 1st day of summer, next Friday?
Mike


Mike, lets put it to a vote to let everyone else clear their calendars.

Here are those that have posted interest:

New Builder
Bigrip 74
alfakilo
Kerak
shipwreck
Sky9pilot



Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jun 16th, 2019 at 1:33pm

New Builder wrote on Jun 16th, 2019 at 12:13pm:
How about 1st day of summer, next Friday?
Mike


Works for me too!!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 16th, 2019 at 1:59pm
Here is a fictional aircraft from the 1940's called "Smilin Jack"
Ive always wanted to build the airplane because of the look and colors.

Here are the plans as redrawn by Tom and some 1943 movies serials and what else that I could find.

Enjoy!

The Adventures of Smilin' Jack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Smilin%27_Jack

Adventures of Smilin' Jack Chapter 1 (1943)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xd6USDllG8&list=PLx7nFNCVfZF-b13ewL17PlN1umQSxMxwA



https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=X_13_Smilin_28in_oz9928.pdf (369 KB | 28 )
smilin_jack_X-13.jpg (90 KB | 36 )

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Post by alfakilo on Jun 16th, 2019 at 3:39pm
YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huHPfzb_6mY

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 16th, 2019 at 4:19pm
WOW! A rubber powered Smilin Jack that turned into an ultra light :o. Where was this taken?

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 16th, 2019 at 4:28pm
Tom Hallman's Maxfliart video:
Trim flight in Wawayanda, NY of the rubber-powered Smilin' Jack fiction flyer...DT activated to keep it close...when an unexpected guest arrived.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 16th, 2019 at 4:42pm
When first viewed the Smilin Jack looked great and the sound was an added bonus. At first. ;D

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:33pm
To help others to not have to peruse through the posts for the plans link. Tom has allowed me to post those plans that I have on my flash drive and will post those plans here for easy access.

Airplanes in this set of plans

https://i.postimg.cc/y6cP87gf/071030-F-1234-S-017.jpg
http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/storia/museostorico/PublishingImages/Hangar_Skema/SAIAmbrosiniSuper7/z%20S7Super%2006HOMEweb.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/TYxcyBnT/CONNIE.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/fRTjCXHF/constellation-in-flight-jpg-pc-adaptive-full-medium.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/sDJ45KJ7/scan-130314-0008.jpg


PLANS:


https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=18_INCH_A7D_RUBBER_POWERED.PDF (664 KB | 44 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=27_Inch_Ambrosini_Supersette_S_7.PDF (832 KB | 38 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=27_inch_IAR_80.PDF (564 KB | 45 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=36_inch_Connie_Starliner.PDF (1380 KB | 32 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=44_inch_Connie_Starliner.PDF (1417 KB | 44 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=54_inch_1649_Starliner.PDF (1652 KB | 36 )

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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:34pm
PLANS CONTINUED:

Airplanes in this set of plans

https://i.postimg.cc/LXNZn0S8/A1-E-SKYRAIDER-001.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/PxtwfnB7/BEECHCRAFT-XA-38-GRIZZLY-003.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/NFF2T7G7/BELL-X-1-001.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/m2cFgw5T/DOUGLAS-B-66-002.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/KcpMbVQ9/F2-H-BANSHEE-004.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Fz6dxd7t/F2-H-BANSHEE-005.jpg


https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=A1E_Skyraider.PDF (761 KB | 42 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=B_66_A3D2_plan.PDF (1068 KB | 50 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Banshee_F2H2P.PDF (533 KB | 16 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=banshee_F2H3.PDF (2626 KB | 33 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Beechcraft_xa38_grizzley_destroyer_CG_CALCULATED.PDF (1291 KB | 19 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Bell_X1_1.PDF (498 KB | 43 )

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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:36pm
PLANS CONTINUED:

Airplanes in this set of plans

https://i.postimg.cc/BQs7Hj2L/BREGRET-960-VULTUR-001.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/133W7bCy/C-130-002.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Vv972wPk/CESSNA-210-002.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/W1Y5BSCg/CONVAIR-B-58-004.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/PJHyW7vs/CURTISS-F11-C-002.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/pVQqWP32/DOUGLAS-C-133-005.jpg


https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Bregret_960_Vultur_plan.PDF (2144 KB | 41 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=C_133_Cargomaster_44_inch_span.PDF (858 KB | 33 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=C130_HERCULES_30_INCH_001.PDF (492 KB | 28 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Cessna_210_27_inch.PDF (1617 KB | 41 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Convair_B58_27_span.PDF (675 KB | 33 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Curtiss_F11C_Goshawk.PDF (660 KB | 48 )

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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:38pm
PLANS CONTINUED:

Airplanes in this set of plans.

https://i.postimg.cc/wMz0pBzs/D520-001.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/kGywXdMY/EC-121-001.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/y6hLT0hh/F7F-003.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/FR3D8LM4/F8F-003.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/SNyD1jVB/FW-190-001.jpg


https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Dewoitine_D520_SPORT_SCALE_18_SPAN.PDF (530 KB | 30 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Dewoitine_520_PSEUDO_DIMER_16_SPAN.PDF (569 KB | 43 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Dorastonian_FW-190-D9_Bostonian.pdf (629 KB | 17 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=EC_121_H.PDF (1376 KB | 51 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=F7F_3N_Tigercat_36_INCH.PDF (707 KB | 29 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=F8F_Bearcat_pseudo_dimer.PDF (351 KB | 22 )

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:41pm
PLANS CONTINUED:

Airplanes in this set of plans.

https://i.postimg.cc/VNxcXX9Q/FU-24-003.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/VkHwLxdN/FLITEWAYS-SPECIAL-001.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/CKBgZcqs/FOKKER-DR-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/1XPhjPYv/HEINKEL-HD-21-003.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/MT1J5Xtc/HUSTLER-500-001.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Hn2DGKqd/IAR-80-004.jpg


https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Fletcher_FU24_nocal.PDF (312 KB | 22 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=fliteways_special.PDF (233 KB | 23 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Funfdekker_vostonian_001.PDF (397 KB | 26 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=heinkel_hd21.PDF (1695 KB | 48 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Hustler_500.PDF (777 KB | 22 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=IAR_80_plan_001.PDF (424 KB | 21 )

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:42pm
PLANS CONTINUED:

Airplanes in this set of plans

https://i.postimg.cc/6p4jngMq/KI-43-003.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/m25pcBNK/LA-11-02.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/PxTSGxTv/MC-72-001.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/pdDs18bt/MR-AWESOME-001.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/3wMLB1qB/P-1111-01.jpg


https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Ki43_Oscar_Pseudo_Dime_Scale_001.pdf (349 KB | 34 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=LA_11_edit_7_2019.PDF (321 KB | 15 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Macchi__MC72_plan_001.PDF (1319 KB | 24 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Macchi_MC72_draft.PDF (860 KB | 15 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=messerschmitt_p1111.PDF (416 KB | 28 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=mr_awesome_yak11_001.PDF (368 KB | 24 )

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:44pm
PLANS CONTINUED:
I deleted the Ol VI Smilin Jack because this is not my plan...I think the name was confusing.
Tom

Airplanes in this set of plans.

https://i.postimg.cc/Hkjx24MV/NEW-STANDARD-D25a-001.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/R0H0rSXm/P-47-004.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Y9BCM5sW/Pilatus-PC-6-001.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/0y3NHMGZ/RIPSLINGER-001.jpg

https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=New_Standard_D25a_edit_july_2019_001.PDF (387 KB | 20 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=P_47_dime_scale_2.PDF (546 KB | 34 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Pilatus_PC6_NoCal.PDF (1176 KB | 16 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Pilatus_PC6_NoCal_001.PDF (1392 KB | 26 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=ripslinger_revised.PDF (615 KB | 30 )

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:45pm
PLANS CONTINUED:

Airplanes in this set of plans.

https://i.postimg.cc/rpXkrSN6/PILATUS-PORTER-PC6.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/k47PjqHf/RR-003.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/436TbmWY/RIPSLINGER-008.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/rwtTshWC/XF84-003.jpg


https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=ripslinger.pdf (618 KB | 24 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Rohrbach_Roland_001.pdf (434 KB | 31 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=rohrbach_dviii_roland_001.PDF (484 KB | 25 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=s_t_Pilatus_PC6_NoCal.PDF (1225 KB | 22 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Smilin_Jack_X-13_plan.pdf (431 KB | 20 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=xf84h_thunderscreech_27_span_002.PDF (417 KB | 26 )

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:47pm
PLANS CONTINUED.

NOTICE: these two plans were from the same research, but the second plan is the revised version.
The edit 3 is the final plan.

3 different views for the airplane in this plan.

https://i.postimg.cc/L5bd6f8b/XP-40-001.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/02zRXttR/XP-40-003.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/44LR5CQQ/XP-40-004.jpg

https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=xp_40_dimer.PDF (504 KB | 24 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=xp_40_dimer_2.PDF (552 KB | 31 )
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=xp_40_dimer_edit3_001.PDF (557 KB | 27 )

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:02am
Bob - You have been busy and thank you for posting all these plans and I have to say, I had no idea there was all this great work out there and nobody made any mention. Think this cookup is very on point and thanks for the start.

First day of summer is this coming Friday at 11:54 AM, EDT.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 18th, 2019 at 11:34am
Here's the Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate (キ84 疾風 Gale) "Frank" as the Allies called her.
I redid the plan because the original had several areas that needed correction. The performance of this aircraft at the end of the war was pretty amazing with the loss of good fuel and productions capabilities.
Tom
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=nakajima_ki_84_frank.PDF (435 KB | 46 )
IXJ200604.jpg (27 KB | 29 )

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 18th, 2019 at 12:01pm
Thanks Tom, Neal should be interested in the redo. I also need to put it on my "TO DO LIST" :o

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 18th, 2019 at 4:48pm

bigrip74 wrote on Jun 16th, 2019 at 12:31pm:
[quote author=415C4845424F4D2C0 link=1545331683/26#26 date=1560705204]How about 1st day of summer, next Friday?
Mike

Works for me too...
Sky9pilot

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 18th, 2019 at 6:39pm
Just so everyone knows...Bigrip74 is in charge of this cookup.  He'll be setting the start and stop time, rules of the cookup etc.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 18th, 2019 at 6:59pm
It has been suggested that we start Friday 06/20/2018 and maybe for a 3 month period maybe longer.

What do y'all think? as in time to start and length of cookup.

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:53pm
Good for me!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jun 19th, 2019 at 7:04am
Works for me as well.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 19th, 2019 at 8:32am
Anytime is fine, guys.  As for me...my building is going to be somewhat hit n' miss for a while...have health issues in the family here that need my attention.  I've got to wean myself away from the board for a bit.

I didn't even know that Tom had a "Frank" plan!  Nice!  However...it was the obscure "Oscar" plan that I've opted to construct...so if anyone wants a go at "Frank"...or even Oscar...please commence.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]  There is a single issue I've identified with Tom's Oscar plan...fuselage should sit atop the wing instead of being partially up into the fuselage as Tom has shown it.  No problem...the wing will fit nicely into the area directly below the fuselage box...work out just fine.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

The Hayabusa (Oscar) was the second-most prolific Japanese fighter aircraft of the Pacific War and though numbering only half that of the Mitsubishi Zero-sen (5,719 Oscars), is credited with more aerial victories than any other Japanese combat aircraft type of the entire conflict!

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 19th, 2019 at 9:24am
OK! Lets start Friday June 20,  2019 and let go until October 1, 2019

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 19th, 2019 at 11:23am
I want to start with the Grumman F8F Bearcat, the F2H Banshee is too big for a second build, so Ill need to figure out which plan to go with next.

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 19th, 2019 at 11:30am
Some clarifications for the Tom Akery Plans.  I often use the "Koutny" style of stringers because I like the look of more thin stringers giving the fuselage a more rounded look than the use of less 1/16"SQ stringers.  "Koutny Style" was gleaned from the "Koutny Cookup" on HPA a few years ago...Click Here  His technique was to use 1/16" X 1/32" stringers spaced approximately 1/8" to 1/4" apart along the fuselage.  The stringer stands 1/16" off the former and is only 1/32" thick and then is sanded to a taper towards the tail to give the nice rounded look and yet keep the tail light.  I make most of my formers 1/16" less in circumference to accomodate this.  But this is not true for all of the plans.  If notches are shown in the formers there has not been any reduction in size.  I also don't show the stringers on the plan, because I already know how I would approach stringers.  These plans are made for planes I hope to one day build for myself.  I also try to use the design factor of +2 degrees incidence on the main wing and 0 degrees on the horizontal stab.  I try to figure the CG reference using the TVO process as found in the "Finding the CG for model Aircraft" section Click Here By Don DeLoach. 

Various aircraft have appealed to me for many varied reasons...
The cargo planes because as a kid growing up I saw the C-124's C-133's and the later Herc's flying around my house where I lived near Norton AFB in San Bernardino, CA.  I love the early jets and later lived near McClellan AFB in Sacramento, CA and saw many of the jets and cargo planes of the 70's 80's.  Then there's the interest in just the weird and ugly planes through out history!  So thanks for taking a look at my plans but they were basically drawn just for me with just enough detail for me to build something from.  I kind of design on the fly and build the same way.  If you do find a glaring flaw in design please feel free to share that with me, so I can correct it, so that when I build from that plan I won't have to have the same problem you found.  I look forward to your input.  I hope this makes these plans more usable for y'all and am honored you'd be interested in try them yourselves.  Thanks again!  Tom/Sky9pilot

Here's a picture of BG's P-51B done in the "Koutny" style.
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jun 19th, 2019 at 11:44am
That's a lotta work! I get all googley-eyed just looking at it!!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 19th, 2019 at 12:07pm
Looks like I will need to strip my 1/16 x 1/32 for he fuselage .

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 19th, 2019 at 4:03pm
I'm going with the Lavochkin La-11 "Fang" enlarged to 27" span and using cracked rib wing construction.
Tom
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=LA_11_27_inch.PDF (343 KB | 33 )
1_2_b1_001.jpg (14 KB | 16 )

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 19th, 2019 at 6:16pm
Im going with the F8F Bearcat in the BLUE ANGELS yellow Beetle Bomb solo a/c.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jV4SyBJ/F8F-009.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Kcfww08v/F8F-010.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/KvsVv4T6/F8F-010A.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/FsK840Yb/F8F-011.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/cLgzKZMr/F8F-011A.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/vZJNfj3X/F8F-015.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/3N86WvnT/F8F-017.jpg

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 19th, 2019 at 6:30pm
Wow!  Looks really great, Bob!  Here's an F8F at the Udvar-Hazy Center...clipped wing racer...took this photo a few years ago (20?  time flies).

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 19th, 2019 at 6:41pm
Nice photo Neal. Is that Paul Mantz's Bendix Trophy racer?

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 19th, 2019 at 7:02pm
Yes...and No, Bob.  ;D  It is Excalibur III...which was a multi-record breaking transcontinental flyer.  However...was originally...BLAZE OF NOON, winner of two Bendix Trophy races while owned and flown by Paul Mantz.   Needless to say...it's a very remarkable aircraft...with a very historic background.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Here's my poor rendition...32"ws...many years ago.  The lad is now in his middle 40's.  :-?

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jun 20th, 2019 at 8:01am
Tom - Looks like we'll be doing the Fang together so let's give it a go.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 20th, 2019 at 12:16pm

New Builder wrote on Jun 20th, 2019 at 8:01am:
Tom - Looks like we'll be doing the Fang together so let's give it a go.
Mike


Tom, stated that he will do a 27" ws version. Which wing span are you planning on doing Neal?

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 20th, 2019 at 12:39pm
Believe you're referring to Mike (New Builder).  I'm doing Tom's dime scale Oscar.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Neal

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 20th, 2019 at 12:48pm
Tom, question:

I have been stripping the stringers in 1/32 x 1/16.

Do I lay them flat (with the 1/16 on the former)?

Or horizontal (standing up with the 1/32 showing)?

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jun 20th, 2019 at 12:55pm
These have worked well for me in Peanut models. The formers are close enough that the thin 1/32 stringers do not flex too much.

I have the 1/16 facing out to have more of a surface to attach tissue to. The 1/32 thickness of the stringer makes it easier to use the the Koutny technique mentioned here:

https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=search2

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 20th, 2019 at 1:33pm

Kerak wrote on Jun 20th, 2019 at 12:39pm:
Believe you're referring to Mike (New Builder).  I'm doing Tom's dime scale Oscar.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Neal


OOP! my bad.

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jun 20th, 2019 at 3:13pm
Bob - There have not been duplicates in any of our cookups and I don't want to do a duplicate so will go with the Smilin' Jack.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jun 20th, 2019 at 4:00pm
Reading thru the posts Tom pulled the Smilin' Jack as it was not his plan so will now move to the Nakajima Frank.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 20th, 2019 at 5:24pm
It has been mentioned that we have not had any duplicate builds in a cookup, but there have been some buddy builds where two different members have built the same airplane.

AS the statement says build what you want, enjoy your build, and fly as much as you can.

So the idea of a cookup is to enjoy your self and post your photos so others are able to learn from your build. I personally have picked up more tips from other members here that have progressed my own ability to make an acceptable airplane. Thanks to you all.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by pb_guy on Jun 20th, 2019 at 5:36pm
Actually, Brad and I both built the Piaggio PC-7 for the Schneider Trophy cookup. Although he built it to a 14" W/S and I did it as a peanut.
  I would like to do the Bell X-1 as a peanut (48% of plan size) with a few small modifications to the plan. Glamorous Glennis is an appealing subject
ian
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 20th, 2019 at 6:15pm
Ian, I am really interested in seeing how you bring a rocket a/c to be powered by a rubber powered prop.

The engineering that you are going to show boggles my mind. I am really waiting to see your ORANGE finish and that canopy to me looks daunting.

I remember yours and Brads Piaggio, I still have the fuselage, pontoons, rudder, a wing, and stab to the Curtiss R3C that I started for the Schneider campaign. maybe I should finish it. ::)

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 20th, 2019 at 7:13pm
AK is right...the 1/16"x 1/32" stringers are glued on the 1/32" edge and stand up 1/16" from the former.  Hope that is clear.  Check the photo of BG's P-51B

I love the Bell X-1 Glamorous Glennis!  If there's enough time after the "Fang" I might enlarge the plan to 27" span as the X-1a in the white & silver scheme . ;D :D ;) 8-)
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 20th, 2019 at 7:46pm
Tom, you are an overachiever  ;)

OK! If I understand the Koutny method it should be something like the photo below.

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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 20th, 2019 at 7:53pm
That's affirmative...Koutny style on the left!
It's really not that hard.  You cut a strip of 1/8" SQ balsa and with Cyano thin glue the first stringer on once you've aligned it as straight as you can. Then place the 1/8" spacers next to the 1st stringer...pin them together with your clothespin clamps at each end and glue the next stringer in place then move to the next stringer etc.  Goes pretty fast...oh yes, you alternate sides to keep the tension on the fuselage even and keep it straight...like you do with all stringers unless you're building clam-shell style.

If you've been following along in the FAC Newsletter you find the clear props in the Musing article for the props on jets so they almost disappear in the air.  Using the clear acetate from Pretzel Stick containers for the blades.  They can be made like I made the prop for the Roland Walfisch instead of using balsa or ply for the blades. Click Here

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 20th, 2019 at 8:33pm
Tom, thanks for that description and I never thought of using a clear prop.

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jun 20th, 2019 at 10:32pm

Sky9pilot wrote on Jun 20th, 2019 at 7:13pm:
AK is right...the 1/16"x 1/32" stringers are glued on the 1/32" edge and stand up 1/16" from the former.  Hope that is clear.  Check the photo of BG's P-51B


Whoa!! Hold up!! My mistake, but that is not what I was trying to say. Just the opposite. If I am using 1/16 x 1/32 stringers, I cut them from 1/32 sheet and lay them flat so that the 1/16 side faces out. The notch in the former (if I am using notches) is 1/32 deep. If using the Koutny technique, no notch is used.

Sorry for the confusion!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 20th, 2019 at 10:47pm

alfakilo wrote on Jun 20th, 2019 at 10:32pm:

Sky9pilot wrote on Jun 20th, 2019 at 7:13pm:
AK is right...the 1/16"x 1/32" stringers are glued on the 1/32" edge and stand up 1/16" from the former.  Hope that is clear.  Check the photo of BG's P-51B


That sounds more along the lines I was thinking.

Whoa!! Hold up!! My mistake, but that is not what I was trying to say. Just the opposite. If I am using 1/16 x 1/32 stringers, I cut them from 1/32 sheet and lay them flat so that the 1/16 side faces out. The notch in the former (if I am using notches) is 1/32 deep. If using the Koutny technique, no notch is used.

Sorry for the confusion!


Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 20th, 2019 at 11:35pm
No problem, I'm still learning so thanks Tom and alf.

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 21st, 2019 at 3:02am
I have given thought to the Bell X1 and the X1a with a clear prop.

OK! here are the RULES:

Tom Akery plan cookup Rules:
1.      Pick any Tom Akery plan to build from.
2.      Post your build photos on this thread for all of us to enjoy and learn from.
3.      START: Friday 6/21/2019
4.      END:  Friday 10/4/2019
5.      Build what you want, enjoy your build, and fly as much as you can .

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jun 21st, 2019 at 6:48am
I'm also planning an X-1 build.

And with a slight wrinkle. Changeable prop location, front or rear. Nose and rear tailpipe function as motor mounts or prop hubs. Not sure how that will affect balance, just a thought at this point.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jun 21st, 2019 at 7:11am
OK Bob - I'll do a parallel build of the Fang with Tom. It will be a 5/8" - 1' and a wingspan of approximately 20-1/8" with a Dave Rees sliced rib construction. I'll have the plan enlarged over the weekend and hopefully start laying wood early next week.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 21st, 2019 at 12:20pm
Alfakilo...just a suggestion, make removable plugs for both ends and run the motor completely from front to back with both setups. You can lengthen the motor anchor wire from either end to adjust the motor balance in the fuselage. Here's a pic also of my F-101B Voodo nose anchor and rear prop block. Click Here
Tom
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 21st, 2019 at 12:54pm
OK! you guys are too technical for my little mental capacity :D ;D. Nice tips! It does give me thought re: some old plans that Ive viewed with somewhat the same set up. Just thought this had gone by the wayside.

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 21st, 2019 at 12:57pm
STARTED:

GRUMMAN F8F BEARCAT:

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F8F_001a.jpg (209 KB | 15 )
F8F_002_002.jpg (267 KB | 16 )
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 21st, 2019 at 3:22pm
You always "mobilize" nicely, Bob.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif] ;) ;D  YOU...are ready to GO!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Ok...had a start date of the 20th (yesterday) and a start day of Friday (today)...so I've done both.  :D ;D  I've actually had the plan printed out for a couple of years now...studied it many times...so am very familiar with the challenge at hand.

Did the fuselage box yesterday and added the partial formers today.  I'm not going to go into any problems I've encounter, after all...I'm the one who volunteered for this mission, right?  Right.  Box was straight-forward...we've all built many in the past.  Formers were another matter...some were spot on...and some were not.  Enter a bit of artistry and a big sanding block.  Balsa blanks (1/16") were glued in place and then sanded to shape...eyeballed.  I'm going to extend some stringers down the fuselage side...all the way to the end...in order to give some shape to the aft cross-section.

But...before completing the fuselage...I now need to construct the wing...in order to accommodate it into some manner of saddle.

As I've said earlier...some health issues here in the family...I'll be building in "fits," but, we're up, up and away!  Thanks, friends! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 21st, 2019 at 3:33pm
Neal, you are correct about the start date being the 20th and Friday which is the 21st. So no problem if you started yesterday. Its all in fun and letting others enjoy the journey and as in my case picking up tips to enhance our building experience  to make better airplanes.

WOW! nice clean and square fuselage box Neal.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Your family will be remembered in my prayers.

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jun 21st, 2019 at 3:34pm
It's really looking neat, Neal. I'm anxious to see how you will solve the issue of the wing saddle and attachment. The wife and I had our oldest son's two children, 8 & 5 y/o for a weeks visit. Travelled across state to Oak Ridge to take them back and visit for the weekend. Won't be able to get to the building table until Monday at best. 5hr drive really does the ol' back in :-[

Neoflight

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 21st, 2019 at 3:39pm
neoflight, OUCH! that distance in a vehicle is no fun anymore. My straight through journeys are a thing of the past

Hope the grand kids had fun while with y'all.

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jun 21st, 2019 at 3:40pm
That's a lot of parts, Bob. Looks like the drudgery of cutting it all out is behind you.  This will be a great build to follow  :D

Neoflight

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 21st, 2019 at 3:46pm
Bob...I see from your posts I should have scarf cut the dorsal keel into sections to conserve the balsa sheet. I'll keep that in mind in the future...see, I'm learning already!!! ;D ;) 8-)

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jun 21st, 2019 at 3:53pm
You may like this walk around video.
https://youtu.be/HdLt4T1BKRY

Neo

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 21st, 2019 at 3:54pm
Neo...an 8 and 5 year old in the back seat...Lord grant that man endurance and patience!   ;)

And thanks for the thoughts, Bob...I'll gladly take all the help that's available.  ;)

Scarf-cut posts and keels?  Oh...that's right, you guys were Navy men....  How old?  ;D ;D ;D

Neal

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 21st, 2019 at 3:56pm
@neoflight, no drudgery, its therapy to plan/ cutout parts/ line them up to make sure everything is present. It also keeps out of the highway and trouble :D

@Tom, I did not see any problems, and there was not balsa waste, but I am trying something new with the Koutny fuselage. :o

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 21st, 2019 at 3:58pm
quote [Scarf-cut posts and keels?  Oh...that's right, you guys were Navy men....  How old?  Grin Grin Grin

Neal ] quote

Navy; 1972-79 ;)

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 21st, 2019 at 4:07pm

neoflight wrote on Jun 21st, 2019 at 3:53pm:
You may like this walk around video.
https://youtu.be/HdLt4T1BKRY

Neo


Nice video neoflight.  I was especially interested in the 74mm (2.9")  larger cowl for the Pratt and Whiney engine
installed to be able to fly.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 21st, 2019 at 4:12pm
Oh YES...liked that video, Neo!  Hayabusa was truly an amazing combat aircraft...especially considering all its technical shortcomings!  It was basically un-armored...without self-sealing fuel tanks...and terribly under-gunned.  But...it proved by Allied admission, to be a very difficult target to get hits on...ultra-aerobatic!  This is the aircraft that Tommy McGuire decided to attempt to engage in a turning dogfight...to his fatal detriment.  I suppose one could say that Oscar flew Tommy into the ground!  But that's another story....

Thanks, Neo.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jun 21st, 2019 at 4:18pm
Bob, check this out. Forward to 5:50. Rare Bear calling the clock on lap trials. 473 MPH
https://youtu.be/6CQLpByAbns

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 21st, 2019 at 5:08pm
@Neal, a 12.7mm is the same as a .50 caliber?

@neofilght, that was a good video of the Rare Bear and I took a look at another that gave an earlier history of the same airplane.

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 21st, 2019 at 6:03pm
That's right, Bob...12.7mm is basically .50 cal....  Oscar (I) actually used 7.7mm....30 cal!  The idea was that Japanese flyers would save weight by using smaller rifle-caliber armament to enable greater aircraft performance.  Oscar I also utilized a 2-bladed prop!  That soon was upgraded to a pair of 12.7mm fuselage-mounted mg and a 3-bladed prop (Oscar II).  Oscar IIIb at the end of the war mounted a pair of 20mm cannon.  Oscar was easy to fly...highly maneuverable...and a very steady gun platform.  It's only real drawbacks were being lightly constructed with little armor protection...and the fact that rifle-caliber armament tended to punch small holes instead of disassemble a target (12.7mm will do that).  British also used rifle-caliber mg's...but lots of them.  Hurricane had four in each wing (.303 cal)!  That changed too...in favor of cannons.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Even with all that being said, Oscar was still the highest scoring Japanese aircraft of the Pacific war.  Remarkable...airmen using what they were given to greatest advantage.

Neal

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 1:27am
The Oscar needed a redraw...so here she is. 
Tom
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 1:28pm
Looks like you are working overtime to keep us in plans :(.

THANKS!

Ive built the fuselage and have encountered a lot of problems. Mostly planning out how to accomplish a technique that I am trying out for the first time.

The Koutny method took a little finesse to learn. And a lot of CA

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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 2:25pm
Amazing, Bob [smiley=thumbsup.gif] I need a tutorial from you. Do you have a spacing method that helps you align the stringers? This will definitely aide with strength and help fill define those beautiful Bearcat curves. I can't wait and try it for myself.

Neoflight
(aka Rice)

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 2:39pm
Neal, I've been reading up on the Hayabusa (Peregrine). Two fifty cal in the nose sure could do some damage. But, am I correct in thinking their design fell short of USA 50cal in muzzle velocity thus allowing the shot to rapidly fall short necessitating the pilot to get dangerously close before firing? They also had a tendency to shear a wing in a dive or during high load bearing turns or when pulling out. The Ki-43 was indeed graceful but also a fragile adversary.

Neoflight
(Rice)

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 3:08pm
Rice, Tom and alf gave my the instructions on how to follow Kounty style fuselage.

quote[That's affirmative...Koutny style on the left!
It's really not that hard.  You cut a strip of 1/8" SQ balsa and with Cyano thin glue the first stringer on once you've aligned it as straight as you can. Then place the 1/8" spacers next to the 1st stringer...pin them together with your clothespin clamps at each end and glue the next stringer in place then move to the next stringer etc.  Goes pretty fast...oh yes, you alternate sides to keep the tension on the fuselage even and keep it straight...like you do with all stringers unless you're building clam-shell style.

If you've been following along in the FAC Newsletter you find the clear props in the Musing article for the props on jets so they almost disappear in the air.  Using the clear acetate from Pretzel Stick containers for the blades.  They can be made like I made the prop for the Roland Walfisch instead of using balsa or ply for the blades, Tom. Click Here
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1518489517 ]quote



Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 3:57pm
Cleaned up the work area this morning and brought out the magnet board and constructed the right wing panel using the cracked rib method.  I like building wings but too much coffee this morning gave me the shakes and I broke several ribs after finishing one...move to the next one...break the first one etc.... >:( :'( :-[  So after completing the first panel and setting the dihedral, decided it was time for a break...  here's the picture of the right half of the wing.
Sky9pilot
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 4:06pm
Very clean and precise , Tom. Is there a treatise on building with cracked ribs? Especially the method for cracking it? Prior to glueing or as you glue?

Rice

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 4:42pm
@Tom, could I hire you to clean up my work area? ;) ;D.

I know what you mean re: breaking stuff. My fingers lock at times and wont let go or break stuff. >:(

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 5:04pm
My way of building cracked rib wings is lay down the leading edge and pin/magnet to the board.  Then glue the bottom of the rib (1/16" SQ) in the proper length on the plan.  Then glue the trailing edge to the bottom ribs pieces.  I add the wingtips. Next add the main spar either 1/16" or 3/32" tapered from the height specified on the plan to the tip(usually aroung 1/16").  I usually add breaks at the dihedral points on the spar and glue them together later with braces as the dihedral is added.  Then start adding on the top cracked ribs.  I usually start by holding the 1/16" SQ strip for the top rib section against the L.E. and gently bend the 1/16" SQ strip over the spar and keep bending it till the strip touches the trailing edge. I try not to break the strip of balsa in two. I then use cyano thin and put a touch of glue to the leading edge of the rib against the L.E. and hold in place till it sets. Then gently align it over the spar and add thin cya to the crack and rib and spar joint.  Then glue the rib to the trailing edge.  I usually take the top rib to the very back of the T.E. This will be sanded down to a real sharp taper on the rib blending into the T.E.  Once all the top ribs have been installed i then add the "turbulator strips"  This is the SQ balsa strips either 1/16" SQ or 3/32" SQ between the L.E. and the spar.  This will give the tissue the airfoil shape we want on the wing.  If you're careful the top rib can be bent/cracked over the spar without breaking in two.  The thin cyano wicks into the crack and makes the crack stronger than the balsa was before the crack.  That's as brief a synopsis as I can think of at this moment.  I hope I didn't leave anything out.
Tom

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 5:33pm
Wow!  This place is a beehive of activity...on Saturday!  ;D ;D

I have never built a cracked-rib wing...what a confession...at my age!  :o  But I have stayed in a Holiday Inn... ;D ;D ;D ;D  Question:  Is it necessary to have a tapered spar to start the process?  I suppose there are ways of "faking" that as well.  Sure looks quick and light!

Neo-Rice ( ;) ;D ;D ;D), I'm not certain the Japanese would have even understood a concept of being "dangerously close!"  :o  I'm not familiar with muzzle velocity differences...but I am familiar with the damage Ma-deuce will do to a brick building.   8-)  There is no hiding from Ma-deuce!   I know that historically we have a penchant for selling Japanese arms short...but don't you believe it.  Any WW2 vet of the Pacific will tell you otherwise.  The fact that Oscar's two 12.7mm mg's were mounted in the fuselage made them easy to aim...no worry about convergence.  One might draw some comparisons with the BF109...Hartmann stated that he rarely if ever used a gunsite...merely held his fire until the target filled his windscreen! :o  Now that's "dangerously close."  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]  I think he rammed his first aerial victory and had to bail out!

Neal

Ok...checked it out...M2 is 2,900 fps...Ho 12.7mm is 2,600 fps....  So...go ahead Rice...stand in front of it...you're safe.  ;)  Still BAD ____ in my book.  He gets the bead on you...you're in trouble.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 6:14pm
1.      Fuselage is covered with the 1/32 x 1/16 stringers.
2.      Right area cut out for the wing saddle.
3.      Right wing saddle attached with CA.
After cutting out the left side area for the wing saddle, I noticed that I had miscalculated and cut too low. So I removed the saddle and cut the correct area then installed more former's to help with the alignment and attachment of the new saddle.
4.      New saddle attached.
5.      A little adjustment to the stringer to bring it up to meet the saddle.

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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 8:34pm
I would much rather do a cracked rib wing then one with normal ribs that usually have not been cut out uniformly ;D.

Made a mess of the cowl twice:

1. the original does not mate with the fuselage. Probably my fault, just getting older and the eyes are not what they were plus the wrists have arthritis and make keeps me from cutting the balsa correctly sometimes.

2. third time to cut parts for the cowl. lower right was the first try that is too small. Upper right was the second try too late at night and just too tired to cut good.

And the new third time parts look good so far.


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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 9:52pm
Thanks Neal for setting me straight on that [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Neo

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 11:59pm
Bob...you need some of those very fine tips that fit on the Cyano bottles.  That way you use only a very small drop that wicks into the joint.
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 2:48am
Already have some Tom. But the CA just rushes out some times :o




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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 8:08am

bigrip74 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 2:48am:
Already have some Tom. But the CA just rushes out some times :o


That's my experience too, especially with the thin stuff. Using some sort of an applicator seems the only way around that. Tom's idea of a needle eyelet sounds good.


Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 8:21am
Bob I've had really good luck with the ones found at Hobby Lobby

Neoflight

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 9:44am
Many years ago...I rigged up the needle-eyelet gizmo using a spare x-acto knife as the handle.  Even a small bit of fine piano wire will do the job in place of mama's needles...and we've all probably garnered many x-acto knife handles over the years.  Eazzzy setup....don't have to mess with the hobby store at all.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]  My problem is that most, if not all of the local model shops have closed!  :'(

Eazzzy to clean up too...cut the glue off...burn it off...sand it off...whatever, you're back in business.  All ready for intra-cranial modifications.  ;)

Andddddd...looks very official, too!  :D ;D

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 2:53pm
For anyone new to the hobby...this is the way that we used to fabricate those curved wingtips, etc., back in the dime scale era.  Couple the old with new adhesives (CA) and it can be strong enough to do the job.  Tom's plan said it was pseudo dime scale and I've taken him at his word.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Incidentally...thanks Tom, for the new plan update on the Oscar.  I'm continuing with the old plan...already committed.  Thanks again.

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 2:59pm
Thanks Neal for the tutorial. Maybe you need to do a beginners photo tutorial for the site ;)

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 3:30pm
Finally got the nose cowl to fit the front of the fuselage and to look round not like a cookie.

Broke 3 stringers on the empenage and shored them up.

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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 4:05pm
Another 5hr drive - sans grandkids - and home again to find tornado came through hometown  in our absence leaving 6000 w/o power. Thankfully no one seriously hurt and we weren't affected (live outside city limits) Phew...what a week!
Neo

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 5:05pm
Is the Red Cross on scene?

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 6:11pm
Sorry to hear about the tornadoes! Hope the power is restored soon.   

Bob...have you got a circle cutter?  There are several out there...I've got an Olfa but Pete found some other cutters as well: Click Here  I can't do without mine!!! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Bob...regarding those tips...back in my plastic modeling days we used to take and light a candle and hold those tips over the candle till the thin parts got soft and pulled them further making the tube even smaller and thinner.  This helped control the thin cya even more.  It takes a bit of testing to get the tips to stretch longer making the small end smaller.  I hope this makes sense.  It's like stretching sprue if you've ever done that in plastic modeling to make fine wire for antennas etc.

I don't mean to pull them as thin as this video but gives you the idea if you've never done this. Click Here
Tom

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 6:20pm
Thanks for the concern. It happened last night while wife and I in Oak Ridge. It affected our middle son who lives near us. No Red Cross. I was told we did get help from surrounding counties to repair electrical lines and substations. We're having high winds and wet weather now. But doing good. Had a rest and getting ready to print and cut some balsa.  :)

Did get surprise in mail. My oldest had ordered a balsa kit for my father's day...a GAR P-39 ;)

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 6:56pm
Great Father's Day gift...I understand it's a great kit.  I think several of them have been built on the HPA (Hip Pocket Aeronautics) Forum.Click Here for HPA
Tom

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 9:36pm
This is my next build if I finish the "Fang" La-11.  It's the Bell X-1a and I just finished the plan.
Tom
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 10:07pm
quote [Did get surprise in mail. My oldest had ordered a balsa kit for my father's day...a GAR P-39] quote

That is a good fathers day gift.

Tom, your a wiz at plans. How are you able to do them so quickly, or have they been on the board for a while. ;)

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 24th, 2019 at 10:47am
Good morning honorable neighbors (into the "flavor" of this build).  Here is the status of our Hayabusa at Nakajima-Utah.  Time to add meat to the bones on that fuselage.  Coming along nicely...ですか.

Neal-さん
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jun 24th, 2019 at 1:22pm
Really nice looking Neal. Can't wait to see what she'll be wearing to the ball ;D

Neo

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 24th, 2019 at 1:27pm

neoflight wrote on Jun 24th, 2019 at 1:22pm:
Really nice looking Neal. Can't wait to see what she'll be wearing to the ball ;D

Neo


I agree! really clean build.

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 24th, 2019 at 5:07pm
Neal...I agree with the fellas...the wing and fuselage are looking great.  This is going to be a nice looking bird.  I'm glad I redid the plan...I'll have to build one later!!!

Got some more work done on the "Fang" today.  Both sides of the box structure for the fuselage.  Because I enlarged it to 27" I used 3/32" SQ for the box structure.  I built the first side and then cover it with wax paper and built the second side on top of the first. Turned out pretty good.  I had to take a break...may try to get the box together later today.
Tom
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 25th, 2019 at 9:46am
Except for the all-important cowl ring...fuselage is complete.

Have been eye-balling this blue upper-surface color scheme for years.  Saw it for the first time in Kenneth Munson's little guide books...20th Sentai...Burma, Formosa, and finally Home Defense, Japan.  Was an uncommon scheme for an IJAAF unit.  Oh well...still a ways to go before making that decision.

Incidentally, Nakajima post-war became Fuji Aircraft and today is Subaru...1918 to present.  I hope they don't mind...I've been using Nakajima Aircraft's company stamp on my photos.  ;)

Good morning.

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jun 25th, 2019 at 10:45am
If I remember correctly, it's likely that the Flying Tiger's accounts of meeting "Zeros" over China and Burma were probably Oscars instead.

Saburo Sakai's memoirs went into considerable detail on the selection and training of Japanese fighter pilots in the 30s. Quite different from the US and other western air forces. Max emphasis on close in "dogfighting" in aircraft that were specifically designed for just that. Fighters such as the Oscar and Zero (Zeke) could fly loops at much slower speeds than western fighters could. When attacked from the rear, an Oscar pilot could pull up into a loop. The western pilot in his P-40/Wildcat/Buffalo/Hurricane/Spitfire would try to follow only to stall out in the pull up. The Oscar would complete the loop on to his attacker's tail and that was that.

In the USAF, when we were able to exploit Soviet fighters such as the MiG-17 and 21, we were astounded at how slow they could fly. No way that an F-4 could match that slow speed performance. Trying to engage in a slow speed turning contest was not conducive to a long career.

Claire Chennault understood this very well and drilled his Flying Tigers to avoid turning fights. Instead, they would make high speed attacks and then dive away at speeds that the Japanese fighters could not reach. Eventually, such tactics became known as "boom and zoom".

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 25th, 2019 at 12:53pm
Not hard at all to understand how in the heat of combat, every EA with a radial engine would become the dreaded ZERO!  :o  That was the trend throughout the war...Oscars, Franks, Tojos, Georges...everything was a Zero.

Speaking of a turning fight...after CO's briefing one morning, a friend of mine, a former Marine F-4 pilot walked by my office door, stuck his head in and commented, "Neal...great Lufbery during briefing this morning!"  When you've got nothing else...that'll have to do!  :-[  If that P-40 wouldn't engage in a turning game...Oscar could be in trouble.

I once saw a video interview with a former Navy WW2 ace who had initially flown Wildcats against the Japanese.  He spoke specifically about the Japanese tactic of going vertical...with the Wildcat following the EA upward, then stalling out...only to be followed directly downward (hammerhead)...and shot down.  He said his unit was on their first CAP after converting to the early Hellcat.  His opponent went vertical...and he followed (something he would not have done in a Wildcat).  The Hellcat didn't stall out!  He said his opponent must have been very experienced...but had failed to see the difference between the old Wildcat and new Hellcat...end of story.

Years ago I had a college professor, Gordon Allred...who collaborated with a former Japanese Army pilot on a book...KAMIKAZE!  Talks at length about the rigors of IJAAF pilot training...incredible discipline and brutality.  Washouts were generally suicides!  Kurahara was the pilot's name if I recall correctly...tells of an incident in which as a trainee he was to "dogfight" his senior instructor, a Master Sergeant Pilot the trainees called the "Mantis."  Cadet Kurahara somehow got onto the Mantis' six...and wouldn't let go!  In fact, he decided to ram his erstwhile nemesis!  The Mantis finally evaded the inevitable by bailing out!  Back on the ground...in formation...the Mantis was about to use a baseball bat on Kurahara, but the Commanding Lieutenant stopped him...and in fact praised the trainee's aggressiveness!!!  In the end...they were all buddies drinking sake together on graduation night.  These were tough guys...ready to die...even if just to kill their instructor!  ;)

"Boom and zoom," now that truly would have been an alien concept to a WW2 Japanese combat pilot.  His idea was more like "turn n' burn."

Thank, Alf.

Neal

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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 25th, 2019 at 2:38pm
Neal, I like the blue top color scheme. Still a nice clean fuselage and wing build. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I am not having much fun with the wing saddle. Should have picked a different plan, one that did not have a barrel for a fuselage.

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 25th, 2019 at 2:59pm
Sorry you're having such a struggle with that wing and wing saddle.  Barrel fuselages do leave a bit of a challenge!  Is that the wing center section that you have in the fuselage?  I usually lay both wing saddle sides on top of each other and align the cutouts so that when placed on the fuselage they are symmetrical.  If I build the center section separate, I will sometimes lay that with the root rib, on the wing saddle pieces and sand them to clearance before mounting between the stringers on the fuselage.  I'm sorry I didn't give this information with the plan.   :'( :-[

I'm with Bob...I like the blue topside scheme!!

I got the fuselage box done and added some gussets and a second motor mount strip at the back of the wing.  Also gives a bit more strength for holding the plane for launching.  Here's the latest pics...as you know, I can't resist sticking the parts together to see how things look! ;D ;)
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 25th, 2019 at 3:33pm
Tom, I think that problem is with me. The barrel fuselage is more trouble and Ill need to make more adjustments, but this is new to me.

Bob

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Post by Kerak on Jun 25th, 2019 at 4:07pm
Looks good to me, Bob...KEEP GOING!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

"Just do watcha gotta do......."  ;)

Neal

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 25th, 2019 at 8:32pm
Well, started the cowling this afternoon and found that in blowing the plan up to 27" span the diameter of the cowling is 3 & 1/16".  That puts the cowling rings 1/16" bigger than my 3" sheets of balsa.  So the cowling will lose 1/16" in it's diameter...meaning the fuselage box at the nose will be taken in about 3/32" in  the cross members at the nose of the fuselage box.  So all this has been done and the discs are drying, at least as much as I had clamps for and one more disc awaits gluing.  Gotta find what I did with those ratcheting clamps that I have 4 of somewhere???? :P ::) :o :D ;) 8-) 

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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 26th, 2019 at 12:27am
I should have planned the fuselage out like you have Tom.

The wing was somewhat simple. I had to cut (2) more #1 ribs to butt against the outer wing section for the dihedral to work.

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 26th, 2019 at 12:54am
Bob...on the dimers like that wing...I usually just cut/crack the leading edge and trailing edge and bend in the amount of dihedral and then strengthen the cut/crack with gussets on each side of the cut.  I then add doublers to the spars on each outside panel to strengthen them as well.  I see the plan does need a considerable redo in the instruction and clarity of the plans construction.  Thanks for dealing with the prototype.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 26th, 2019 at 1:12am
So far the only way that I see how to attach the wing is to glue the center section to the fuselage and then attach the outer wing panels to the center section after the fuselage has been covered.

Still playing at knowing what Im doing ;D But the challenge is actually making my do chores around the house for a change :D

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 26th, 2019 at 1:56am
Bob...here's the edited plan...but the cow is already out of the barn I'm afraid. 

If you decide to go with the two piece wing. Eliminate the center section completely.  This will leave the fuselage clear for the motor.  Just glue a new sheet of 1/16" balsa over the saddles on each side, but clearly mark the position of the root ribs so they will align on each side.  Don't forget that you can't mark them on the same side or when you place one of them on the opposite side the markings will not show so you can see them.  Don't ask how I found this out!!! :-[ :P
If you use a pattern to mark the position of the airfoil root rib stick a pin through both sheets of stacked balsa,at the leading edge middle of the root and the trailing edge.  Then when you separate the two sheets you can flip the bottom sheet so their nose to nose and use the pin marks to align the rib patterns on each sheet.  You have to flip over the pattern also for the second sheet.  This way they both will be aligned when you glue them in their appropriate positions.  Hope this makes sense! :o ;)

If you're worried about the strength of the wing saddles run a 1/16" SQ stringer to the formers at each end of the saddles top and bottom.  This will add some weight but it's right at the CG area so it shouldn't effect the flight ability later.
Tom
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Post by New Builder on Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:14am
Lavochkin Fang
Everybody is doing absolutely great work and am sad I will not be able to keep the pace, however, finally got the plans enlarged and started on the wing. I am going to modify the wing to add more ribs to keep my tissue from sagging too much and add a bit more shape (and yes, I do the tear test). As I mentioned earlier, this is going to be a slow build with two airplanes on the board and this one and all the summer projects that seem to take precedence. This one will be a new process to me with sliced ribs, so as the pictures show, they are done and now will move to the spars, leading edge, trailing edge and finally, a wing. All that is left is everything else. More soon.
Mike
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Post by Kerak on Jun 26th, 2019 at 4:16pm
Lookin' good, Mike!  Mods on all these builds!

Hayabusa, Tweetie-Pie, Oscar now has an empennage.  Time for that cowl ring and a decision as to whether this is a I, a II, or a III Ki-43?  Most obvious difference to the eye is the air intake on the cowl bottom for the supercharger and a carburetor air intake on the cowl ring top...and ultimately, the use of a two bladed or three blade prop.  III also has some exhaust outlets located in the cowl flaps.  The cheap and easy is to build an Ki-43 I.  One more decision...LG...always love those final pics with my sweetheart standing on her own two legs.  ;) :D ;D

All up weight thus far is around 10g...not bad for a dimer. 

Neal
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Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 26th, 2019 at 5:09pm
Neal...doing Oscar proud! Looking very good and great weight.

Got the empennage done on the Fang as well.  Still laminating Cowling rings but did get the 1/64" ply facing on the fuselage section of the cowling. Still have to complete the formers for the fuselage.  mocked it up and got lazy so shot the pics at the building table.  Here's the latest....
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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 26th, 2019 at 5:19pm
Mike, beautiful ribs [smiley=thumbsup.gif] and it looks like they take a steady hand. Cant wait to see your build progress.

Neal, I know that you have an assembly ling going.

Bob

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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 26th, 2019 at 5:22pm
Tom, I like the stand that you are using ;D for the photo.

Is that a one piece cowl?

Bob

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 26th, 2019 at 9:48pm
Dollar Store chocolate cookies....yum!They come in a tin!
You've heard the old adage, "Measure twice, cut once!"  Better add get your reading glasses on first, before you measure.  I had to cut two laminations away from the nose as seen in the last shots.  Seems my small 1/32" ruler has inch marks as well.  So when you measure make sure you count the inches as well as the 1/32's :-[ :'( :D ;)
Somehow I lost an inch.  Couldn't understand why those donuts on the nose were so small.  Pulled out the fuselage side view plan and remeasured again....yep!  I didn't count one of the inches!!!  Yuk!  Well that splains it!  So back to the drawing board,  Pull out the CM ruler and count the cm's.  Got her done.  pics tomorrow...time to rest and regroup!  First build in a while and it shows!!!! :-[ :-X ;D :) ;)

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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 26th, 2019 at 9:56pm
Tom, I thought that I was the only one who did that :o. Dont feel so lonely now.

Bob

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Post by MKelly on Jun 26th, 2019 at 10:09pm
Some neat builds going on here guys, I'm enjoying following along.  Would love to join in but I've got to finish the builds in progress and get ready for the Non-Nats before starting anything new.  I think I still owe a trimotor too...

Cheers,

Mike

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Post by Kerak on Jun 26th, 2019 at 10:38pm
Speaking of measuring...had a stay-in-school draftsman doing a drawing on a job...took it over to the user to get it approved...user says, "Too small...not enough space."  Stay-in came back to the office...changed the scale on the drawings...took it back...and the user signed off!  ::) ;) :D ;D

Ok...got a Cal Ring going, complete with lower supercharger air intake.  You remember Cal Ring don't you...used to play shortstop for the Orioles.  ;)  I think my old stay-in-school draftsman is responsible for Fenway Park's left field!  8-)

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jun 27th, 2019 at 7:21am
On the X-1 plan, the dihedral seems to be 1 and 9/16 inches. If correct, how was such a unusual number calculated?

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Post by New Builder on Jun 27th, 2019 at 7:37am
Tom, I'm going to do the wing on my Fang as you did with one-piece and thru the fuselage, I like that method since it gives matching incidence on both sides of fuselage.

Bob, not so much of a steady hand as it was done with a template as Tom showed at one point. I did a step-by-step photo of my method but it is not any different than the original.
Mike

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Post by New Builder on Jun 27th, 2019 at 7:41am

Quote:
Lookin' good, Mike!  Mods on all these builds

Thanks Neal, I like to change things up once in a while to make it more to my style of building, laminating outlines when I can, etc. Watching your build and am constantly impressed with your assembly methods and speed. Looking forward to your choice of planes about to emerge.
Mike

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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 27th, 2019 at 11:10am
Mike, even with a template it takes a steady hand. Well Done! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

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Post by alfakilo on Jun 27th, 2019 at 11:48am
Hats off to everyone building these box fuselages. I can't seem to get the hang of this technique and use the keel method whenever possible. Wish I had your skills!!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 27th, 2019 at 11:55am
alf, I would rather build the box fuselage instead of the keel and former method.

Bob

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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 27th, 2019 at 12:38pm
Getting just a little ahead of myself. Marked off the panel lines on some yellow Esaki and printed the U.S.NAVY Beetle Bomb on yellow tissue.


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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 27th, 2019 at 12:53pm
AF...the dihedral could be probably less.  I think the 1" & 9/32s is measuring from the root rib bottom and up to the bottom edge of the canopy.  It's kind of the ROT for most S&T models.  Wingtip at the bottom of the canopy.
Tom

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 27th, 2019 at 2:30pm
OK! I finally took the plunge and tried a wet tissue covering job. BOY! that was a mess trying to keep the tissue apart and from tearing the tissue as my fingers spread it. The hardest thing was applying more stick glue.

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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jun 27th, 2019 at 3:09pm

Sky9pilot wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 12:53pm:
AF...the dihedral could be probably less.  I think the 1" & 9/32s is measuring from the root rib bottom and up to the bottom edge of the canopy.  It's kind of the ROT for most S&T models.  Wingtip at the bottom of the canopy.
Tom


Thanks, Tom. I'll go with it.

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 27th, 2019 at 6:32pm
I decided to use spacers in the fuselage cowling section and then wrap this with 1/32" balsa.  I marked the disc for the spacers equally around the fuselage disc.  I then measured the distance the next disc would be from the edge of the spacers and centered the outer disc on these spacers.  I then sanded the spacers down to the outer disc.  The final cowling nose discs will be added and sanded to shape.  I did complete the dorsal formers and stringers and the stringers around the nose.  Had to mockup all this. Here's the latest pics, I'm starting to like the looks much better with the proper cowling!!!
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 27th, 2019 at 11:48pm
Tom, nice clean looking build. I see that you used some bond paper around the cockpit.

I have somewhat finished the F8F. More of an experiment since everything was for the first time. The photos do not show the gap in the wing saddle, or the trouble I had trying to get the wing to line up with the stab, but I did learn how to apply wet tissue. At least I will be able to do better on the next airplane.


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Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 27th, 2019 at 11:57pm
Thanks Bob...that's 1/32" balsa sheet around the cockpit...the flash kinda washed it out so you can't hardly see the grain.  Tomorrow I will try to finish the cowling.  There's a couple of intake openings in the lip of the cowling.  Here's a three view to show what I hope to achieve.  Amazing how every 3 view is different.  The original didn't have any of these openings.
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Post by alfakilo on Jun 28th, 2019 at 10:00am
X-1 build started, approx dimer scale.
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Post by alfakilo on Jun 28th, 2019 at 10:04am

Sky9pilot wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 11:57pm:
Amazing how every 3 view is different.  The original didn't have any of these openings.


3x23mm cannon. That's a lot of firepower for a fighter. The Soviet mindset after WW2 was pretty defensive. Needed heavy armament to handle western bombers such as the B-29.

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Post by New Builder on Jun 28th, 2019 at 1:03pm
Got a bit more done on the Lavochkin. Vertical stabilizer almost done, still need to add the extra thickness for the symmetrical airfoil and the fuselage is started. Lost sight of the rib opening for the wing to pass through as the line weight was too light to reproduce. Have a rib used to make the slicing template and will lay it in and trace it for the opening. Slow but steady.
Mike
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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 28th, 2019 at 1:50pm
Mike, I will watch your wing go together to see if I would be able to use this method. The ribs look so delicate. More so than split rib construction, but more true to the airfoil shape.

Pulled out a couple of pieces of wood to shape into a canopy plug for he F8F. Arthritis got in the way after some carving :o

Bob

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 28th, 2019 at 5:17pm
Mike...for a more three dimensional airfoil shape I often use 1/32"X1/16" ribs over the internal structure.  I also add to the vertical spar on each side so that the ribs have more airfoil shape to them.  Hope this makes sense.
Tom

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Post by Kerak on Jun 28th, 2019 at 5:45pm
Things are Cookin' here!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Not much buildin' on this end over the last couple of days...seein' to wife's health issues.  Hopefully things will start lookin' up here.

Did get a LG on OSCAR...and finished the cowl underside air intake.  It functioned as the air intake for the engine's supercharger.  That is surprising to me...first OSCARs in combat early 1942 were using a supercharger!  Ki-43 III actually had a turbo-supercharger, i.e., exhaust gases driving the supercharger!  The Ki-43 II deleted the forward air intake ductwork...but maintained the existence of the aft part of the intake...as did the III.

I think it's remarkable what this little design HAD, as opposed to its deficiencies.  It wasn't so much that Japanese designs were NOT up to western standards as it was their belief in a very specific design and combat approach.  Call it conservation of resources and a hardline belief in a warrior code.  At least in the beginning, they weren't far off the mark.

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 28th, 2019 at 8:13pm
Neal, nice looking landing gear. I think that I will send you all of my LG requirements for any upcoming build.s :D

Tom, you posted photos of a box frame fill-in, but I cannot find it. I want to use your method for theP-47.

Bob

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 28th, 2019 at 10:52pm

bigrip74 wrote on Jun 28th, 2019 at 8:13pm:
Tom, you posted photos of a box frame fill-in, but I cannot find it. I want to use your method for theP-47.
Bob

Not sure what you're asking here Bob?  "Box frame fill in"  Are you asking about the cowling I just did...here's a quick and dirty drawing of the cowling built up style. That is later wrapped in 1/32" balsa sheet.

I did a similar cowling on my Dorastonian Fw-190 D9 Click Here bottom of page reply #1

Here's some of my infill between stringers on the Bf-109E model, which was a box fuselage with formers, see pic below. You can find that build here: Click Here

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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 28th, 2019 at 11:23pm
Let me see if I am able to put down in print what my feeble mind is thinking. The photo below are the sections on the P-47 box fuselage, they are facing up. Notice that several are wider at the top.

You ( I think that it was you) posted a photo of a box fuselage where you used a piece of cardboard or some material to hold the box true.This is what I have been trying to find to see what was used and how.

I think this would help me with this box at the top to hold it true at the top.
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Post by Kerak on Jun 29th, 2019 at 9:07am
Your Bearcat looks super, Bob!

I recall seeing what you're talking about...the inner box fillins to keep it all true.  Think Mike (Tex) used it on his Sopwith...and Tom did it as well...thought he used foam picnic plate material.  All I know is that if I tried that...it would all end up permanently glued in place...I'd never get it out again!  But it seems a good idea...if you're a lot more careful than I am.  :D ;D

I've run into a dilemma on my OSCAR...built a Ki-43 I...which used a 2-bladed prop...now I've found a 3-bladed prop complete with spinner in my scrap box!  I'm sorely tempted to use it...so I'd have an historical anomaly....  Oh such terrible questions and decisions.... ;) :D ;D ;D ;D

On the home front...been debating taking my wife to the hospital...but she was adamant that she wasn't going.  Finally...a couple of days ago she went to a previously scheduled doctor appointment...which ended up at the hospital!  Yesterday we spent the day with her receiving two units of blood!  You know the old adage "Better safe than sorry."  Well...I'm the responsible one here...and I've done one lousy job of it.  :-/  We have a doctor daughter...and she missed it all as well....  Lesson...never listen to the patient's protestations!  I'm hoping things will begin to improve...seemed that way yesterday evening.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]  Sorry for all of this rambling....wife has been my girl for the past 60 years and is kind of the only person that I can't do without.  :(

Note the cockpit photo of OSCAR...looks comparable to the F4F...even down to the hand cranked landing gear...or at least I imagine that handle on the right serves that purpose.  Could be a canopy crank...but don't think the Japanese would have considered that to be a necessity.  Very rudimentary cockpit layout...and yet all that was necessary.

I've always marveled at the navigational abilities of WW2 combat pilots...especially in the Pacific.  If one's navigational skills were marginal...so was survivability!

Again, thanks guys for listening to my bs.

Neal
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Post by alfakilo on Jun 29th, 2019 at 12:07pm
Got the fuselage stringers done. At mid-fuselage, they are about 1/2" apart, enough to present a somewhat rounded look without so many as to be a building hassle. The top and bottom keels are hard 3/32, formers are soft 1/16, and the stringers are medium 1/16. Got the stringers from Sig, price was worth not having to strip wood!!

The wing will be attached to the side of the fuselage using a short wing spar stub that will be glued to former FW4 with the dihedral angle.
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Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 29th, 2019 at 1:04pm
Oh...I think this is what Bob was referring to then...Jack Build for Ace Whitman cookup click here
Tom

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Post by bigrip74 on Jun 29th, 2019 at 2:05pm
THATS IT! thanks guys.

Bob

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Post by Kerak on Jun 29th, 2019 at 2:36pm
Lookin' good, Alf...your bullet with wings is on her way!  ;) [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

OSCAR standing on her own legs...puttering around now.  Made some balsa wheels with tread on the tires...tail wheel is pretty basic.  ;)

Neal

UPDATE:  Decided to try my hand once again at a Comet Models style prop...a two-blader this time...same construction as the 3-bladed job for my Lightning model.  Two balsa 1/16" discs...1/16" hard balsa blades (Lightning had 3/32" blades)...with cardstock cylindrical pitch gauge...as much pitch as I could get actually in a small space.  ;)  Then drilled a 1/16" dia. hole through the center to accommodate a 1/16" aluminum tube bearing.  Now to fabricate the forward spinner...no problem.  Don't know if it will fly anything anywhere...but is in keeping with the dime-scale plan.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Oh...prop dia. is 5.25".  Center hub is 5/8" dia.
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jun 29th, 2019 at 6:30pm
Did you cover the P-38's blades with tissue or silk for strength?  I've heard it recommended for balsa blades.  The Oscar is looking very svelte.  I'm enjoying the historical input as well.

I finished the cowling on the "Fang" today and got the various additional intakes on the leading edge of the cowl done as well.  I added the side exhausts outlets on the side of the fuselage behind the cowling from 1/32" balsa sheet. I also wrapped the top of the fuselage from the cowling to the cockpit with 1/32" sheet.  I filled areas with some spackling and am waiting for that to dry.  Pics tomorrow.
Tom

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jun 29th, 2019 at 9:37pm
I put my back brace on to do some cleaning and found several FAC magazines. I found the wood filler article that I had asked about.


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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:35pm
Finished OSCAR's prop...custom 2-bladed prop...Comet style.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Time to create a canopy...oh boy.

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jul 1st, 2019 at 7:50am

Quote:
Mike...for a more three dimensional airfoil shape I often use 1/32"X1/16" ribs over the internal structure.  I also add to the vertical spar on each side so that the ribs have more airfoil shape to them.  Hope this makes sense.
Tom

Hi Tom - Thanks for looking in and does make sense. I started using this method on my Interstate Cadet but use 1/16th material throughout as it gives me a bit more area to create the airfoil shape. I tried using 1/32nd but sand thru it before I actually started to pay attention.
Mike
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 1st, 2019 at 10:11am
I guess I needed to say that the vertical spar gave the airfoil shape and the 1/32" X 1/16" stringers over this only needed to be blended to the leading edge and trailing edge.
Tom

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Post by Kerak on Jul 1st, 2019 at 11:08am
And if one wanted to achieve the same result with less weight...less fuss n' muss for a peanut or dime scale build...the rudder post ONLY need be wider to allow the tissue covering to do the sculpting...unless of course one is looking for the bones to show through.  On the other hand Mike...really nice lookin' fin and rudder.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

OSCAR's canopy plug...could suffice for the same scale NATE, OSCAR, TOJO, or FRANK with very little modification.  Build the whole family!  I like the idea of being able to use the same canopy plug over again!

I must say...I've enjoyed building Tom's Ki-43 thus far...been wanting an OSCAR in my collection for a long time now.  Tom's plans are as "advertised," a GOOD starting point for any moderately experienced modeler to build an amazing variety of historical aircraft.  Thanks Tom!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Neal
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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 1st, 2019 at 7:15pm
Thanks Neal for your kind word...You've made the Oscar plan look real good!  Thanks for your building skill that makes the Oscar look fantastic.

I've made some progress on the Fang.  Finished the cowling and the 1/32" sheeting from the cowl to the cockpit.  I used paper tubes to line the gun ports in the cowling.  A little thin cya to anchor them to the balsa.  Just had to mockup the components again for pics...
Tom
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jul 1st, 2019 at 9:35pm

Kerak wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
UPDATE:  Decided to try my hand once again at a Comet Models style prop.


Question on the hub. Did you cut the slots before gluing the hub card paper together, or wait until the paper was connected and the front disc glued in?

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jul 1st, 2019 at 10:16pm
For the "cylinder prop hub"...cut two 1/16" balsa discs...same dia.  Then wrapped cardstock around one to get the proper length of pattern...allow enough for a small tab.  Now...if you can find a way to hold it all together while wrapped around the disc...do so...then lay a straight edge across the cylinder and through the center point.  Mark a small dot on both sides of the outside cylinder...locates where the blade insertion openings need to be.  Now cut the openings BEFORE joining the cylinder ends together.  Once secured...insert balsa disc and glue in place.  Now...create the blades...need to be a good fit through the cardstock.  I inserted a pin upward through the disc center...just to give me an idea of where the blades should interlock together.  Once you've got it all setup to your satisfaction...lock it all in place with CA.  Last...insert and glue to second balsa disc into place.  Final step is to accurately drill a sized hole for an aluminum tube bearing.

That seems like a lot of steps...but really isn't...goes easy and quick.  Hub on my OSCAR prop is 5/8"...with a turned wooden spinner on top of that.

It's far easier just to use a commercial plastic prop...but what's the fun in that?  ;)

Good luck, Alf....

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 9:59pm
The bird has feathers...all bones covered...HQ Chutai 20th Sentai.  Individual squadrons of the 20th Sentai were delineated by the color of their spinners, white, red, and yellow, with the HQ squadron being bare metal.  Blue upper surfaces was an unusual color scheme for either the IJAAF or IJNAF.

This blue tissue has been a real struggle to install.  Colors this opaque seem to be of a higher density than other colors...not quite tissue paper...a bit heavier.

Neal
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Post by Kerak on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 10:46am
Good morning friends and neighbors…let’s talk about OSCAR.  Here is the most remarkable photograph of the business end of a genuine Ki-43 I Hayabusa OSCAR…museum quality.  This aircraft was by all accounts, the supreme dog-fighter of World War Two in the Pacific.  No other aircraft throughout the entire conflict could match its performance in a turning encounter.  Regardless of Allied superiority in firepower and speed, OSCAR remained a highly dangerous opponent throughout the war.  If “bounced” by a Ki-43, the dictum was to get out as best you could, and only then, to consider you further options.  If you were doing the “bouncing,” then the standard attack, as our own Alfakilo has stated previously, was the “boom and zoom,” hit and run, taking advantage of superior speed and diving capabilities.  Only the inexperienced and fools stayed around to “turn and burn” with OSCAR.

The photograph is of an OSCAR I, designed in 1937, in the air by 1939, and in the hands of combat units by 1941…and remaining so for the war’s duration.  I love that prop…looks like a Comet design (I say that with great respect).  Was a constant speed, variable two pitch unit…simple for it’s pilot to operate.  The “dog” protruding from the spinner tip is the first indicator of Japanese design philosophy…create a dog-fighter.  There was no added weight of a starter mechanism or supporting electrical system.  Engine starting was accomplished through the use of a truck-driven drive-shaft with a universal and dog on the end.  Engine rpm automatically disengaged the drive-shaft upon startup.

The delicate-looking copper tube annular radiator is to cool the oil, a carryover from the Ki-27 (NATE).  It was gone, redesigned in OSCAR II.  I imagine that it was a constant concern for ground personnel…checking for chafing and leaks regularly.  Looks like vibration could have played havoc with it.

The air intake on the cowl bottom is for the engine’s supercharger!  All OSCAR variants had superchargers with the OSCAR III having a turbo-supercharger (powered by exhaust gases)!  How to get the most for the least, which was basically Japan’s burden that led to war, and it’s burden throughout hostilities as well.

Nakajima developed and supplied it’s own engines…for OSCAR I it was a twin-banked fourteen cylinder unit rated at less than a 1,000 hp at takeoff.  Weight to power ratio meant that weight was the alterable variable.  Armament by itself was not a weight problem, but weight of the ammunition was.  Smaller arms meant that more could be carried.  Note the flash tubes atop the cowling and the spent-casing ejection port below the Aldis gun sight.  OSCAR I carried two 7.7mm machine guns…later upgraded to 12.7mm for the II and III and later to 20mm for the IIIb.  Increased hp engines accompanied those armament upgrades as well.  The Aldis gun sight was replaced by a reflector-type unit on OSCAR II.  Engine exhaust outlets were on both sides behind the cowl flaps, with an exhaust collector ring mounted directly behind the engine cylinders.  This setup continued through OSCAR II and was redesigned for OSCAR III, with individual short exhaust pipes.

OSCAR was the very essence of Japanese design philosophy, how to achieve combat effectiveness through conservation of material resources.  As the war progressed their designs increasingly reflected an awareness of the necessity to build comparable equipment to counter their opponents.  In the end, they were building combat equipment very much comparable to the Allies…albeit too little, too late.  This however should never be interpreted as an incapability to do so much earlier in the war.  Even OSCAR was adapting, by 1945 having armor plating, self-sealing fuel tanks, and increased caliber armament.

Neal

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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:56am
Neal, I cannot wait to see your Oscar fully covered. Nice job so far. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Great photo of the Ki43 and the write up.

Bob

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Post by MKelly on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 1:42pm
Interesting writeup and picture, Neal.  The first thing that caught my eye in the picture was the oil cooler and how vulnerable it would be.

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Post by Kerak on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 6:44pm
My initial thoughts as well, Mike...but then if an aircraft is going to take rounds in the engine from a head-on attack, what's the point in worrying about it.  I believe the entire Japanese approach to dog-fighting was to be nimble enough to avoid being hit..."nice work if you can get it."  I watched old video films of NATE as well as KDA 5's during those builds...and it was very easy to see that the Japanese were using maneuverability as a primary defense.

Incidentally, the secret to OSCAR's maneuverability were these "combat flaps."  On January 7, 1944 a single Ki-43 III flown by Warrant Officer Akira Sugimoto took on four P-38L Lightnings led by Maj. Thomas B. McGuire...and had no trouble dealing with them at all.  Two Lightnings, including McGuire did not get home.  Of the two remaining P-38's, one returned flying on a single engine.

Your Spitfire is a real looker...par excellence!  This is like setting my easel up next to Rembrandt!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]  The crowd comes along...looks are you...then they look at me...then go back to you.  ;) :D ;D

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 9:56pm
Very nice OSCAR indeed, Neal. Have been enjoying your build  ;D

Neoflight

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jul 4th, 2019 at 3:58pm
X-1 moving along with no major hiccups. Wing attachment still undecided.
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jul 4th, 2019 at 4:36pm
Very nice, Alf! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

OSCAR is moving down the line as well...remaining items: canopy, anti-glare panel, LG strut covers, control surface outlines, and markings....

I'm calling her "Bluebelle" now.  ;) :D ;D  Book is my reference source for IJAAF colors and markings...and outdoor shot is for you Neo...to help seeing the blue.  ;) [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I tried spaying the entire cover job with Krylon Clear Satin...hated it...looked completely flat...so gave it a light coat of Gloss Clear...daaaaa...ended up looking like I'd thrown a handful of dust on it!  Oh well...who said it was supposed to look factory fresh?  ;)

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 4th, 2019 at 4:38pm
X-1 is looking great! I was thinking of 1/16" sheet balsa between the formers in front of and behind the wing's L.E. and T.E. and between the stringers.  Giving a solid surface to mount the wing panels to.

MKelly's incidence meter would be helpful with proceedure. See the gadgets section.

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Post by pb_guy on Jul 4th, 2019 at 4:51pm
Looking good AlphaKilo. I have just started my peanut version of the X-1 @48% of the original plan size. I stripped some 1/16 x 3/32 for the upper and lower longerons and boiled them, then pinned them to the board last night. I am planning on using 1/32 strips for the outer covering. I am working on formers. I toyed with laminating them, but I don't think that I would save sufficient weight to bother with.
ian
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Post by bigrip74 on Jul 4th, 2019 at 5:13pm
alf, nice job on the X-1 bones [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Neal, the Oscar is still looking good.

ian, I see a lot of  round former's that look like much trouble in the future.

I have been slowly constructing lams for the stab and wingtips.


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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jul 4th, 2019 at 11:53pm
Not to worry about the finish there Neal. I like what you've done. I too have Thorpe's volumes on IJNAF and  IJAAF aircraft markings.

And, thanks for the outdoor shot :) really puts things 'in the light'   ;) [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jul 5th, 2019 at 12:03am
Alright BG, a Razorback P-47!!!  It's my favourite version of Thunderbolt. I'll be paying special attention to this build for certain. You have any particular scheme in mind?

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jul 5th, 2019 at 10:42am

Sky9pilot wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 4:38pm:
I was thinking of 1/16" sheet balsa between the formers in front of and behind the wing's L.E. and T.E. and between the stringers.  Giving a solid surface to mount the wing panels to.

MKelly's incidence meter would be helpful with proceedure. See the gadgets section.


Took your idea and modified it a little. Instead of having the sheet filling in the space between the stringers, I mounted the 1/16 sheet behind the stringers between the formers. The idea is to have a recessed "socket" to set the root wing rib into. This sheet has openings for the LE, TE, and main spar.

I added a 1/16 stringer to the bottom of the root wing rib, this raises the wing in the socket and adds dihedral.

Also raised the LE opening in the socket to add a little incidence.

Is there a better picture of MKelly's incidence meter? That one is difficult for me to understand.

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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:26am
Your skills are showing!!!  Fantastic solution to the wing panels mounting.  Now I have to figure out how to clearly show this in the plan.  I may, with your approval just copy your picture and put it in the plan.  You know..."A picture is worth..."
Tom

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Post by MKelly on Jul 5th, 2019 at 12:05pm

alfakilo wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 10:42am:
Is there a better picture of MKelly's incidence meter? That one is difficult for me to understand.



AK, do these help?
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Post by bigrip74 on Jul 5th, 2019 at 1:35pm
Alf, WOW! your skills are showing as Tom stated.

Mike, the incidence meter looks simple enough to my untrained eye.

The P-47 fuselage has been difficult for this shade tree builder.

The plans do not show a square box, but an odd shape with the top wider than the bottom. It took some thinking on my part (something I try to stay away from ;D)


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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 5th, 2019 at 4:52pm
Bob...I'm working on a CAD re-draw of that drawing to make it a bit clearer I hope.  I think it's a great tool and I hope this will help.
Tom

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Post by bigrip74 on Jul 5th, 2019 at 4:57pm
No problem Tom, I am expanding my building experience and plan reading to mind to hands and onto an airplane.

The first stab did not pass the test. It was more like a B-52 wing, flexing way too much. Not sure if it is the wood selected or the design. So I built another using the plans, but using wider wood.

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 5th, 2019 at 7:59pm
Bob...
I was talking about the incidence meter drawing.  I did redraw it and here it is.  If I was able to properly read the drawing, it was originally drawn in 1936.  I did my best to keep it accurate in size and changed the decimal measurements mostly to fractions.
Tom
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Post by MKelly on Jul 5th, 2019 at 9:10pm
I don't think it's that old - the drawing I have is dated 9/18/96 and the instructions mention Schmidt's fondness for the Robart incidence meter he used when building RC ships.

The redraw looks very good Tom!

Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jul 5th, 2019 at 10:03pm
Meanwhile...incident---ally...all that remains is to install a canopy on this Akery-Oscar.

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 5th, 2019 at 10:12pm
Thanks Mike...my copy was very hard to read...even my wife thought it was 1936, but I can now see that what I thought was a three was a nine!!!

Neal...the Oscar looks fantastic.  I'd even go as far as to say, "Simply Maaaavelous!" as that Pepsi commercial used to say!
Tom

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Post by John Webster on Jul 5th, 2019 at 10:26pm
Thanks for the incidence meter .pdf.

One thing I like and users should note is that it measures the incidence of the airfoil shape, not the flat bottom of the airfoil which is often used.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by pb_guy on Jul 5th, 2019 at 10:42pm
Everything is looking great. I also like the razor-back versions of the WWII fighters, including the p-47. Of course that Oscar does stand out. I am moving only very slowly with a few minutes here and there. At the same time as life goes on, I am also doing kitchen reno's and our counters should be arriving soon. So, all I have done is to cut out the former blanks and sand them to shape.
ian
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jul 6th, 2019 at 7:29am

MKelly wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 12:05pm:
AK, do these help?


They do, Mike. Thanks very much!

Here's my take on this. We are trying to determine the angle that the wing or horiz stab is set at relative to the fuselage. This device is basically a plumb line set up where the dangling wire is the plumb.

We do this for two reasons. One is to attach the wing or stab at a desired angle, usually measured in degrees. That may be no angle at all (zero degrees) or something positive or negative. The second reason is to assure, if attached separately, that the wing or stab are attached at the same angle.

The first reason requires a starting reference line. I suppose the fuselage reference line (longitudinal axis) is most often used. To use the incidence meter, the fuselage has to be mounted so that this line is level. The meter then is used to set a specific angle.

The second reason is a comparative measurement of one wing/stab to the other. As such, we are determining if the surfaces are attached at the same angle.

Using my X-1 as an example, I need to do both for the wing since it is built in two parts. The stab is one piece and so all I have to do is the first step.

So much for the theory! Translating this into balsa and glue may be something else entirely!!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jul 6th, 2019 at 9:42am
Very good modelling, Neal [smiley=thumbsup.gif] How did you accomplish the hinomaru (hinomarae for multiple? ;)) You always accomplish that which is arduous with such finesse!

Neoflight

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Post by Kerak on Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:10pm
Markings were printed on white tissue...as usual.  Then...sprayed backside with satin clear...then a light coat of gloss white.  Attached with glustick...sealed with rattle-can clear.

Well friends and neighbors...here we are again at the end of the ol' trail.  Didn't think I was building that rapidly...just came together, I suppose. 

Thanks again for your indulgence.  Been a pleasure.

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:30pm
So purty!! The blue turned out great!

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:45pm
Did some re-reading and Bob...you've done a fantastic job on the 47's box fuselage construction.  I am amazed at all the great models being built!!!  The Oscar is just outstanding!  Love the blue scheme and especially the shot underneath showing some structure through the tissue!  Well Done All!!! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:26pm

alfakilo wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 4:30pm:
So purty!! The blue turned out great!


alf, said my words exactly. Great job [smiley=thumbsup.gif] on the build and love the color scheme.

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by neoflight on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:03pm
With so few wing ribs, how do you not succumb to the "starved horse" effect Neal?

Neoflight


Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Jul 6th, 2019 at 9:36pm
Thanks, Friends.  I've never been one to worry too much about the "starved horse" look.  Sag between ribs...that's another worry altogether.  ;) :D ;D  Hey, this is stand-off scale...keep moving back and squinting your eyes...it'll eventually look like exact scale.  Personally, I like the design...dime scale...exactly as advertised...a beauty all its own.  Thanks, Tom!  Don't you think those big red discs look stunning against that magnificent blue!  ::) :-* HQ Chuti 20th Sentai IJAAF......... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Again, thanks Tom.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Neal
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by MKelly on Jul 6th, 2019 at 10:42pm
That turned out absolutely beautiful Neal!

Mike

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Post by bigrip74 on Jul 7th, 2019 at 12:51am
Great job! Neal. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Bob

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Post by New Builder on Jul 7th, 2019 at 7:15am
Wow Neal - Been out of pocket for a few days and get back and another great build. Color, markings everything spot on and will give your marking method a try, always looking to improve. Well done.
Mike

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 7th, 2019 at 3:25pm
Neal,
You make me look good!!! Thanks for all your input in making the plan better, esp. the wing location on the original plan.
Tom

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jul 7th, 2019 at 4:29pm
Rebuilt the stab and the wood was better. All covered now.

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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 7th, 2019 at 4:40pm
I'm loving this new technique of your's and Mike's for panel lines.  I'm definitely going to look into those pencils.  Your stab looks great!
Tom

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Post by bigrip74 on Jul 7th, 2019 at 5:03pm
Tom, this is all MIKE's idea I just fell in love with how easy and how it brings the airplane to life.

Thanks Mike!

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:32am
Pics showing the upper and lower fuselage 'humps' on the X-1. Used 1/8 square and 1/16 stringers to make the 'hump'. Set them on a foundation strip of manila folder stiff paper. Finished with Hobbico balsa colored filler.

Many thanks to Tom for the manila folder recommendation. It's hard to tell where the balsa, paper, and filler meet.
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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 8th, 2019 at 2:52pm
Outstanding AK...can't tell them apart in the pics...looks great! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

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Post by pb_guy on Jul 8th, 2019 at 6:45pm
Just a minute grabbed here and there. First 3 half-formers glued in place. This is the section that holds the wing. It will be a while before I get caught up with alphakilo
ian
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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 8th, 2019 at 11:42pm
Ian,
I would encourage you to adopt AK's wing pockets for your X-1.  I'm going to adopt them for my future plans that have mid-wing setups.
Tom
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Post by bigrip74 on Jul 9th, 2019 at 3:06am
alf, your build is clean, crisp, and clean. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Something would like to immolate.

ian, I still like the LEGO's you use for keeping your pieces square.

Tom, I see you have been building now and cannot wait to see it finished.

Bob

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Post by bigrip74 on Jul 9th, 2019 at 5:14pm
I am jumping ahead to catch up.

Finished the covering and markings. Used a Popeye symbol for the a/c signature and used my initials for the a/c ID. I used the Prisma white pencil that Mike suggested to back fill the white tissue so it would not blend in with the dark green tissue.

The canopy mold is ready to vac.



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Post by pb_guy on Jul 9th, 2019 at 5:57pm
I like the colour scheme Bob! And Popeye was one of my favorite characters.
ian

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 9th, 2019 at 6:38pm
Love it Bob...I'm definitely going to have to build one for myself!!!  Well done! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 10th, 2019 at 6:53pm
Mike asked if I could change the New Standard D-25a from colored lines to black.  Was having some difficulty getting a good clear print.  I've tried to do that with this 27" span plan of the New Standard.  I hope this will work for y'all.  Let me know if it needs more work.  Thanks
Tom

edit: 7/11/2019  This is the latest edit of the New Standard Plan.  My original plan was deleted after my build was completed.  I wasn't thinking of keeping a plan gallery at that time.  So this was a quick and dirty plan to reconstruct a plan for an article in which my plane was featured as part of his presentation of the New Standard aircraft.  Some of the early plans used the default setting of the CAD program for the line thickness.  I've started using a thicker setting fro most of the recent plans.  I didn't mind the thinner lines because I was making them for myself.  But thay are a bit harder to print and read.   :-[ ::) ;)
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Post by bigrip74 on Jul 11th, 2019 at 4:57am
Thanks Tom, I also would like the black lines on the plan. I just select which color to print and always choose black.

Just need to finish sanding the canopy molds for the F8F and P-47 then vac them.

I was playing with the XF-84H plan reduced for a try. Not sure on this or if I will build some catajets to go fly here and just enjoy.

Bob

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Post by New Builder on Jul 11th, 2019 at 7:24am
Tom - I down loaded the revised plan but have not been able to print it yet but soon and thank you for your help. I'll let you know how it goes at the printer.
Mike

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 11th, 2019 at 3:19pm
Earlier post on the New Standard was edited today with a revised plan as of July 19, 2019. My plans from henceforth will be in black lines and of a thicker line used.  Thanks fellas.  I just put up with the thin lines when I built from the original plans. Sorry so many have had problems with the colors. 
Tom

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Post by alfakilo on Jul 11th, 2019 at 4:41pm
I took a screenshot of the X-1 pdf and then used Paint Shop Pro to convert the red color to black by selecting 'greyscale'.

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Post by pb_guy on Jul 12th, 2019 at 11:47pm
Slow progress. One strip of 1/32 x 1/16 above the wing and one of 1/32 sq below the wing. Now to let it dry and remove it from the board tomorrow. Then the other formers and then more 1/32 strips. You know, you can always print a plan in grayscale if you don't like the colour.
ian
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Post by Kerak on Jul 13th, 2019 at 9:44am
In my "professional career," working drawings are either blue-line or blue-prints...for a reason.  Color detail is very nice...for PowerPoint presentations..."talking" drawings.  Unfortunately, greyscale is just what it says...colors are interpolated in shades of grey, which is not as effective as true working drawings.  All that being said, most printers that I've utilized have the option to print in "grey scale"...no need for a graphics program.  Even then, a lot of color line in grey scale simply disappears when printed.

Another significant issue computer generated drawings have is line scale/density.  When a line is inked on a drafting table...all that is quite visible...easily seen and verified.  Not so on a computer screen.  The smaller the construction subject, the more critical this aspect becomes...take the outside line edge...the middle...the inside?

My point is...creating a truly accurate working drawing "ain't easy."  A contractor would come to me with an "unforeseen issue" and if I knew him well I'd say, "I'm sure you've got a solution in mind...let's hear your ideas."  It's the old adage of "If there's a will...there's bound to be a way."  ;)  It's no different with this hobby of ours.

However...we utilize what we have, right? Right...and what we have is GREAT.  Thanks, Tom. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Neal

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 13th, 2019 at 3:07pm
I got some planking done and made the mistake of coating the 1/32" sheeting and the planking of 1/8" sanded to shape with thinned yellow carpenter's glue.  After that dried I sanded it with 220 and then 400 and then with 600 to a very smooth surface.  But when the glue stick was applied to begin attaching the tissue it balled up and made a mess.  So don't apply thinned carpenter's glue to seal balsa.  I found when the alcohol wetted tissue hit the balsa it was an almost immediate bond.  Had to sand everything down and start over.  So Here's the latest pictures.  Got the fuselage top and side and rear bottom covered.  My white tissue was domestic and it tore in a couple of places as it shrank.  So I patched those after everything dried.  Here's a shot of the bottom of the wing being covered.  Making some progress...
Tom
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Post by alfakilo on Jul 13th, 2019 at 3:19pm
I too am having a couple of covering issues. I found some very nice orange domestic tissue for the X-1 (maybe Xmas stuff) and tried it out. Really like the color but the tissue rips easily if wet. Also found that it did not remain stuck and came loose during shrinking. I had prepped the frame with dope and good sanding. Glue was Elmers glue stick. Not too sure that I want to cover the model with this. Probably would be OK if I just used small pieces at a time.

So I ordered some orange Esaki from Pecks. Meanwhile, I think I'll start that inkjet camouflage project.

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 13th, 2019 at 3:35pm
Sorry to hear that your domestic orange tissue couldn't hold up wet.  I like Hallmark tissue for the bright colors, seems to hold up better.  I try to check out the Hallmark store every holiday, Easter, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Halloween etc. They always put out their holiday tissue for those events and it usually is a higher quality paper.  Orange and Black at Thanksgiving and Halloween, you know the traditional colors for the events.  Sometimes Easter can come up with some very nice pastels for those civilian aircraft models.
Tom

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 14th, 2019 at 2:09pm
Got the components covered yesterday and sealed with Krylon Chrystal Clear Gloss.  Just finished putting all the components together now and I like the looks of this bird more and more.  I also fared in the bottom of the fuselage  after the wing was glued in place. A half former for the mid point and 1/16" sq stringers 1/4" apart to give some strength to the bottom of the fuselage.  I still have to cover the faring on the fuselage and at the wing roots.  Still have the cockpit details and all the bumps and bubbles as well as the canopy to do.  Then the paint, I'm planning to use the airbrush and Dr. Martin's India Ink which goes on very light and easy.  Here's the pics of the faring of the bottom of the wing and the components glued together...Fang is coming together.
Tom
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Post by Kerak on Jul 14th, 2019 at 6:38pm
What did you say the wingspan is, Tom?  Looks huge! :o  Beautiful work, kid!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

And today in class...all the children had fun with their cameras...my entrée.... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]  Seriously...I'm in love with blue!  ;) :D ;D  That's a slow shutter (1/8th sec) with no flash...and only a handful of turns...otherwise OSCAR would leave the county.  Camera is hand-held...should use a tripod and shutter release cable (do they make those anymore for these simple digital jobs?).[smiley=thumbsup.gif]  "READY...ACTION!"

Neal
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Post by neoflight on Jul 14th, 2019 at 6:41pm
Marvelous, Tom [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Your wood and tissue is so pleasing to the eye. Can't wait to see the finished клык

Neoflight

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 14th, 2019 at 8:56pm
Thanks fellas...
The wingspan is 27" and I just blew up the Pseudo-dime scale model.  I like the 27" span models...just like the way they come out and from my rc days bigger always flew better, seems true with rubber power also.  Plus my hands do better with bigger models.  Those little one look great but are a challenge to these fingers!!! ;D :D ;)

Neal...I love the shots with the prop spinning...here's my Bostonian Bostang B-51 Red Tail...
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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 15th, 2019 at 3:59pm
Still haven't covered the bottom of the fuselage with tissue but decided to work on the scoops, bumps and humps for the "Fang".  I used the plunge method to make those "scoops,bumps,humps".  Make one form and then you can make as many of the same thing as you need.  I use the plastic picnic plates from the Dollar Store.  Heat with the Monokote heat gun and then plunge the plastic over the mold.  I usually attach the mold to a skewer, popcycle stick or just the length of balsa shaped at the end for the needed mold.  I have a ratcheting clamp that holds the mold off the table.  I only had red picnic plates left so I need to restock in the other colors.  Not always available, yellow, black, blue, white and sometimes other colors like orange etc.
Last pic is the clamp and shows the first spinners (that were too pointed) I made for the Dash 8.
I used some acrylic hobby paint in light brown to tone down the bright red plastic.
Tom
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Post by bigrip74 on Jul 16th, 2019 at 12:20am
Tom, she is looking good and I want to see your plunge bumps in place.

(note) I have not been getting email notifications of new posts.

Bob

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Post by alfakilo on Jul 16th, 2019 at 10:27am
Some questions on your 'plunge' method. Do you support the plastic in a frame before heating? Do you push the plastic over the mold or do you push the mold into the plastic?

I have had mixed results with the plastic plates. When making a spinner, often the plastic stretches so much that it is too thin to be of much use. I mount the plastic in a frame and then heat that over a hot plate until the plastic sags. Then I push the frame down over the plug. Makes a nice shape but too fragile. Maybe heating the plastic too much? Or maybe the spinner plug was too big for this.

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 16th, 2019 at 5:57pm
A couple of things.  I just hold the plate in my bare hands and heat a section of the plastic plate big enough to go over the mold. 

I support the mold in the clamp as the picture shows and then with my hands plunge the plastic down over the mold till the plastic is straight down from the mold to avoid the tendency of the plastic to curl out from the mold at the bottom.  This works fine for small molds like machine gun bulges on wings and fuselages.  Scoops and exhaust farings that aren't too ornate or large. 

I've found for canopies and other larger objects the larger the sheet of plastic (when vacuum forming) going over a canopy mold or larger scoop or bump/bubble etc the plastic doesn't get as thin because it isn't stretched as much.  It is important to remember when using a vacuum former to raise the mold off the platen at least 1/8" to 1/4" to avoid the stringers off the corners and the bowing out from the bottom of the mold. 

It is important to heat the plastic evenly till it sags then immediately plunge it over the mold...both in plunge molding or vacuum forming.  If the plastic is not evenly heated the hottest section will stretch more than the other parts and thin the plastic unevenly.  I hope this makes sense. 

Some people will make a female former from cardboard or other thin stiff material with a hole approximate 1/16" larger than the base of the mold.  Attach the plastic to the bottom of this former.  Heat the plastic till it sags and then plunge the plastic over the mold through the hole in the former which pulls the plastic around the mold tighter than straight plunge molding.  Bigger molds will require this female former to successfully plunge mold them. See Mike Stuart's site step three for plunge molding canopies: Click Here  it show the female former for the canopy.
Tom

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 16th, 2019 at 6:16pm
Bob...here they are...

By the way...if you've got a model that has a radial engine with rocker arm bumps this is an easy way to duplicate them by making one mold and plunging multiple copies of the bulges/bumps/humps/bubbles whatever you call them.  You can also make gear strut faring for fixed gear aircraft etc.
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Post by New Builder on Jul 18th, 2019 at 9:45am
Been watching but not able to participate too actively and have been building even less, however everybody's work is absolutely great. Tom your plane is coming along beautifully and the covering is sterling as ever and Neal, that blue is stunning and AK, wow, what a nice job. Should be moving more quickly now and next week even better, wife's going to Florida to see her brother for six days, house to my self and the three balsa crunchers. Got a bit more work done on the fang. Vertical stab was done and horizontal stab is framed up, profiled and tips added waiting to be sanded. I have some very light blocks and will add those to the nose and profile everything then. Next up the wing and some tissue experiments to see if there is a way to dye the tissue. Have some thoughts that wandered into my gray matter the other night, should be fun.
Mike 
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Post by Kerak on Jul 18th, 2019 at 10:55am
Looks really precise, Mike...something of a "work of art" just in the bones!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif] ;)  Beautiful!

Neal

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Post by alfakilo on Jul 18th, 2019 at 11:31am
Very nice! No way I could build a box fuselage like that!

My Esaki orange tissue came today and is paler than the domestic stuff I started with. I really like the domestic color but also like how easy Esaki is to work with. What to do!!??

I don't think the color is really an issue. Google X-1 and we get all sorts of color variations. I even saw one note where Chuck Yeager had complained about the color of one restoration of the actual airplane.

Added: Here's a comparison, Esaki on the left. The domestic color is more vibrant but the tissue is quite porous. Goes on wet but doesn't allow as much fiddling with it as Esaki does. Thoughts?
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Post by pb_guy on Jul 18th, 2019 at 7:20pm
The Esaki looks like it has a bit too much yellow in it. But you have to work with what you have. Some of the photos I have seen look even yellower.
ian
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Post by strat-o on Jul 19th, 2019 at 1:50pm
A friend of mine would apply dye to his models. He would apply it to the covered model prior to doping.  He would buy a magic marker of the desired color and pull it apart so he could soak the ink "pad" in a small amount of alcohol.  He'd then put the alcohol in a small container and use an artists breath-powered atomizer (the simple venturi style atomizers) to evenly distribute the dye on the covered surface.  Added weight is pretty miniscule.  It also doesn't affect the tissue's translucent qualities.  From that point forward all of his new models were vividly colored.

Marlin

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 19th, 2019 at 3:43pm
I've heard of fellas using Rit dye soaking the esaki in a stainless steel pot and then stretching it on a frame to dry... never tried that myself.

I got my nose block turned today. Got a bit rambuncious and had to put a couple layers of tissue around it for a good snug fit.  This still needs to have the  3 degree angle prop shaft drilled and the brass bushing/tubing fitted.  This give me the ability to adjust thrust down and right by rotating the nose plug.  Once set I'll put a key into the plug and socket to lock in the adjustment.

I also took a couple pics of the red plastic scoops and exhaust vent covers plunge molded for more clarity on what they look like before mounting with Aleene's Tacky Glue. 

I also made the engine adjustable exhaust flap from some clear acetate I have left over from a gift box. 

I also turned the spinner for the "Fang" .  First time to use my Drill press from last Christmas for this.  Gotta get the vacuum out to clean up the sawdust!!  I got rambuncious again hollowing out the spinner and ground through the outside in one place.  My dremmel tool was working too well... :-[ :'( ;) A bit of 1/32" fill from the back side and a bit of filler and all will be well.  Here's the latest pics...
Tom
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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 19th, 2019 at 3:57pm
I forgot the antenna shot.  The FAC Newsletter suggested using acetate for arials/antennas because it's flexible and won't easily break off just bend when hit.  I used a piece of thick clear plastic from a clear plastic box my wife got with some product last year.  I threw it under the bench and decided to see if it would work.  It's just the right thickness.  I cut it out using some old scissors.  I sanded the end going into the fuselage sharp so it would fit the slot cut using a single edge razor and some more Aleene's Tacky Glue for adhesive. 
Tom
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Post by Kerak on Jul 20th, 2019 at 9:57am
Great idea for the antennae post, Tom...I'm gonna have to give that a go on my Buffalo.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Always loved those big bands around the cowling...looked like rifling rings on a big artillery shell.  (I've got a .50 cal round sitting on the bookcase behind me...with a rifling ring.) ;)

Thought you might want to research this out Tom...but in building my peanut Yak as well as my Comet Sturmovik I discovered that the Soviets did not apply national markings to the wing upper surfaces.  Maybe were some exceptions...but you might want to look into that.... ;)

Really nice job, Tom. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
_________________

Alf...Don't know if you've made a decision on the tissue or not...but for what it's worth...doped tissue can look a lot different than none...as well as tissue on thin frames like the empennage...is practically looking at double-thickness...whereas on the fuselage it'll have a darker background by nature of the framing.  Also...a flat finish will have less color depth than a gloss....  All things to consider.

I recently purchased some tissue from a local dollar store...call it my "root beer" tissue...did a double take because it looks almost like Esaki...is thin and light...not porous at all...has a hard (shiny) side and a dull (softer) side...yet in certain lighting looks almost green!  Put some dope on it and presto...it's brown again!  Tissue can have some strange characteristics...depending on how the light strikes it.  Maybe I should say that about paint in general, not to mention photographs!  :o  My 2cents on tissue, Alf.... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Neal
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Post by alfakilo on Jul 21st, 2019 at 4:16pm
Slow progress.

I decided to use the orange Esaki on the X-1, mostly because the other tissue tended to tear when wet.

I save things from past builds, and I found that one of the nose vacuform canopy pieces that I made for the He119 turned out to be a very good fit for the X-1. I had already made a canopy plug, no problem, it goes into the spare stuff box, maybe it will be of use some day!

I made the nose cone motor mount out of card stock using one of the truncated cone calculators. Basically, similar to the Comet prop hub method.

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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:17pm
Did some research on the markings for the Russian aircraft on the top of the wing.  Seems that it varied from aircraft to aircraft and squadron to squadron.  The only thing that seems constant is the trainers all had the stars on the top of the wings.    I'm going to include the stars on the wings top and bottom...the maroon scheme I chose seems to have the stars on the top of the wings...
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Post by New Builder on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 12:08pm
Been working slowly but some progress, however have come on to something I cannot make work. The cockpit framing is not going as I had hoped and am hoping Tom, since you have had current success, or anyone could direct me here.

As to the other pictures, I have a new definition of eternity. Have the cowl finished to match the fuselage and will be reshaping the rest of the nose today. The gun ports may be a bit low, will know soon.
Mike
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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 4:38pm
If you talking of the cockpit combing I made a paper (bond paper) pattern, which took several tries to get the shape I wanted and looked like what I had drawn on the plan.  I should have deleted the former shown above the top longeron at the the aft canopy leading edge... I left it off my model.  Once I had the pattern to my liking I laid it out on the 1/32" sheet and cut two pieces with the grain running the length of the piece so it will bend easily over the front cockpit former.  I then used cya to glue this down after I put some water on the topside of the balsa to aid it bending into place.  Hope this makes sense to you.
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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 24th, 2019 at 3:25pm
Marcelo Pricoli a modeling buddy from Uruguay who posts regularly on HPA and runs JV44 free Flight School, an aeronautics/modeling school for kids in his area, asked me to draw up some plans for a plane he saw in AEROMODELLER magazine but there were no plans for it.  So this is Tom Akery's version of Don Typonds PZL 104 Wilga C. 
Wikipedia says: "On 30 December 1963, the Wilga C (or Wilga Mark 2 Subvariant C) made its first flight; this variant which was a dedicated export model of the type for Indonesia powered by the imported North American -certified 225 hp (168 kW) horizontally opposed Continental O-470 engine."
Marcelo asked me to post the plans I sent him here and I agreed to do so. 

If you're looking for a very different model to build, I think you'll find this one a real challenge.  I hope to build one too...so it's on the "To Do" list as a new addition.
this plan has been percolating in my mind and I've made a couple modifications to the plan showing music wire gear strut shapes, and one piece wing sitting on top of cabin.
Tom
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Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 24th, 2019 at 3:55pm
I feel the need to make a few comments regarding the building of the PZL 104 Wilga "C"...

Read the article on Mr. Typonds build and his techniques.  This plan uses the two horizontal keels as the basis of this build.  Make them from (3) laminations of 1/32"X1/16" strips of balsa formed around patterns that give the basic shape of the sides of the fuselage.  Then build a top half and a bottom half.  Use your imagination to facilitate the cowling and side vents.  Then add the stiffening stips after tissue applied.

For a clear 3-view of the type "C" Click Here

Please note Mr. Typond's registrations letters on his model...
Tom

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Post by neoflight on Jul 24th, 2019 at 11:58pm
Nicely done plans, Tom [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I've always thought the Wilga was a pretty aircraft...in
a rather awkward manner. Do think I'd need to change the identification lettering to something other than SP-LAT.

Neoflight

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Post by New Builder on Jul 29th, 2019 at 8:08am
While I was sanding down the cowl, the four longerons started appearing and by the time the cowl was completed, the longerons at the corners behind the cowl were completely gone. At least there is substantial material holding this area together so on to patching and moving on. While deciding how to approach the fuselage problem, started the wing which is the only part left to build. After measuring, figuring, cutting the wing ribs and laying the leading edge and trailing edge, the leading edge is too low. So this afternoon I need to add on a bit of material and get back to work. This is an interesting way to build a wing and it is very delicate. Found I had to use my soft stock to keep the grain from breaking at the top of the rib.
Mike
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 29th, 2019 at 3:42pm
Mike...looks like you're making great progress! The sliced ribs are always fragile at the bend over the spar.  I've been experimenting with the formed ribs I've seen several other modelers use.  I made a form from foam block that I wasn't satisfied with.  I'm going to cut a form from a 2x4 the length of the root rib using the Clark Y airfoil.  Soak the 1/16" sheet so it's bendable and then clamp it between the forms to dry.  Then use my Master Striper to cut the ribs in 1/16" or 3/32" strips that are then dried to the airfoil shape. 

I've made several wings with the sliced ribs and they work very well.  Keep up the great work.
Sky9pilot
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jul 30th, 2019 at 7:58am
Tom - I'm glad I am moving on the sliced ribs and used the template method you have shown on this site a couple of times. I've also seen your block method although most seemed to use laminated balsa and them clamped wet between the blocks, however all of them admitted they had to use a microwave for drying or else let it set for about a week or more to dry. Problem is one can never be sure if it is entirely dry in the center. I will be very interested in your outcome with the wet balsa and how it behaves when it comes out of the mold. I've nearly always had some spring back.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by pb_guy on Jul 31st, 2019 at 12:26am
Occasionally find time to glue in the 1/32 sq stringers. So far it looks like this. The formers weren't quite sanded to the exact dimension for some reason, so I have to add 1/64 to 1/32 spacers on occasion to preserve the correct curve. Fiddly!
ian
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jul 31st, 2019 at 8:13am
Looking good so far and seems to have a good round look but you know best. I run into that as well. I added stringers down the side of the Fang to give it a slight rounded visual, still got some sanding to do but like it better that way.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jul 31st, 2019 at 8:26am
Put in all the left wing ribs and have to say a lot of the fragility of the ribs alone has gone away, much the same as a cracked rib would do. Now for the fun part, adding the three-bay wide diagonal brace and some other vertical support where there is a long space without any support. Will need to decide that after the diagonal brace is slide into place and secured.
Mike
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by pb_guy on Jul 31st, 2019 at 10:11am
This is a fairly easy way to add 'diagonal' bracing.
ian
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jul 31st, 2019 at 11:32am
That's usually the way I would do the bracing but in this case, the bracing, in addition to providing torsional support, gives some support to the inside curve of the ribs. The brace is glued to the bottom portion of the rib and also to the upper inside curve of the rib. If I had been thinking about this, I should have started adding the ribs from the tip to the center adding the bracing as I went. Given that didn't happen, time will tell the success.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jul 31st, 2019 at 1:53pm
Diagonal Bracing installed and only broke two ribs. Still need some vertical pieces in the larger unsupported areas, otherwise, left wing pretty much done except for the manual labor part. Right wing coming up soon then the fun part, cutting it apart and adding the dihedral.
Mike
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Aug 1st, 2019 at 11:57am
Covering done, now have to assemble everything.
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Aug 1st, 2019 at 12:52pm
Alf - Your covering came out really well given all the problems you had. One more nice build and looking forward to the finished plane.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Aug 1st, 2019 at 12:58pm
Y'all are doing great work. 
Mike...that wing is looking great!  You probably could have used hard 1/32" for the diagonals.  I always add some 1/16" SQ for vertical support for the sliced ribs.

AK...the X-1 is really coming along well.  The orange looks good.  How do you plan to do the dorsal and ventral spines? 

Great progress on these birds! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] 

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Aug 1st, 2019 at 2:48pm

Sky9pilot wrote on Aug 1st, 2019 at 12:58pm:
  How do you plan to do the dorsal and ventral spines? 


The spines are not as prominent as they were in real life. I put a 1/8' square strip on top of the longerons and then blended these into the fuselage. I probably could have added at least 1/16' more in height.

Pic shows the top spine.

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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Aug 1st, 2019 at 3:37pm
I thought that might be the case when I saw your bones shot originally.  She's looking good.
Tom

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Aug 2nd, 2019 at 7:58am

Quote:
You probably could have used hard 1/32" for the diagonals

Tom you are right, after looking at the finished part I started thinking that the diagonals looked really heavy and 1/32 would have done nicely, however since it is this way I will need to finish it, although the weight on that side may help the plane in a left turn. Then again probably not, I'll finish it up and do it different next time.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Aug 4th, 2019 at 10:41am
Almost finished! Got a couple of tissue decals to go and have to fit the pusher prop.
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Aug 4th, 2019 at 10:52am
Wow, how good is that! Tissue work is really good and your tissue cals are equally great. Are you spraying the back white?
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Aug 4th, 2019 at 12:45pm
Thanks, Mike! The orange Esaki was very easy to work with (shiny side up). I used a MKelly tip on the tissue decals, a white Prismacolor pencil to color the back side of the tissue. Also touched the red stripe up with another Prismacolor pencil.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Aug 4th, 2019 at 1:26pm
Nice model, Alf...what are you using to attach tissue-cals?  Also...how did you accomplish the canopy framing?

Neal

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Aug 4th, 2019 at 2:57pm
I glue them on with a regular Elmers glue stick. Or UHU, whichever I grab first! I haven't tried using thinner to set the decals, the model has one coat of thinned dope on it so that method would probably worked well too.

Usually there will be some part of the decal that is loose. I stick them down with a gel made up of Elmers purple glue stick dissolved in alcohol using a very small brush to apply the gel underneath the loose tissue. Smooth this down with my finger.

The canopy framing is another MKelly tip. I colored some white stick on labels with black acrylic paint and some more with a black Sharpie. I felt that the Sharpie worked best. Cut the framing in small strips and stuck them down using tape as needed to hold them in place. Then I ran a small bead of canopy glue along the edge of the strip (another MKelly great idea!!). The glue dries clear and I found that any excess can be carefully scraped off with a #10 Xacto or #10 scalpel blade.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by pb_guy on Aug 4th, 2019 at 7:12pm
Looking really good AlfaKilo! Very Inspiring. Just finished all the stringer work on my fuselage - 22 of them. Up to 3.5 grams for the fuselage now.
ian

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by MKelly on Aug 4th, 2019 at 7:28pm
Beautiful AK.  Wish I could build at your pace - my build list keeps expanding far faster than my completed list.

What's next?

Mike K.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Aug 4th, 2019 at 9:42pm
Outstanding AK...she's a beauty!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Life has gotten in the way of building, but I hope to get some paint on the Fang this week.  Due to the life demands,  I'll be using some Design Master Floral spray to add some color to the Fang. 

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by pb_guy on Aug 5th, 2019 at 6:36pm
I put some end-plates on the X-1 peanut fuselage preparatory to doing the nose and tail removable pieces.
ian
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Aug 6th, 2019 at 10:31am
Ready for trim tests! Many thanks to Tom A for his excellent plan and everyone else for the many tips and suggestions!!

Note the black squares that were the openings for the B-29 suspension gear. Also note the pre-USAF stars and bars lacking the red stripe. Yeager's mach run came only days after the creation of the USAF and his X-1 had the red stripes.
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Aug 6th, 2019 at 11:30am
AK...look forward to your trim test flights.  She's a real beauty...thanks for making such a looker from my drawings! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Aug 6th, 2019 at 12:30pm
A real peach, Alf!  Now...don't forget which direction to wind that motor (not as silly as it sounds  ::)).  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Neal

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by strat-o on Aug 7th, 2019 at 1:37pm
Very nice X-1 AK.  Where is the front motor peg?  Is it a hook on the nose? 

Last weekend I rewatched The Right Stuff.  Love that film.  It's always fun to see Chuck Yeager himself "working" at Pancho Barnes' Happy Bottom Riding Club in the film.

Marlin

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Aug 7th, 2019 at 2:05pm
Nose cone has a hook for the motor and is removable. That way I can replace it with a nose prop/spinner with the motor hook now in the tail cone.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Aug 7th, 2019 at 3:02pm
AK...you might want to try making your own clear prop using a clear plastic peanut butter jar.  They're about 4" diameter and for the pusher just remember to place the 15 degree angle to the right instead of the left for a regular tractor prop.  Just a suggestion.  The X-1 is fantastic.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by pb_guy on Aug 7th, 2019 at 6:36pm
This is a fairly interesting report on the original X-1 flights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W39TdNFdSug
ian

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:38am
Got some color on the "Fang" today using the Design Master Floral spray raddle can.  It is a very fine misting spray as you can imagine for flowers and is a bit transparent.  Pics to follow tomorrow.  Had a gout flareup and so I'm off my feet for a bit.  Taking meds and hope to be up and around again soon!  Got my balsa blocks finally so I can start the canopy plug to begin the fiddly bits.
Tom

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Aug 10th, 2019 at 3:58pm

Sky9pilot wrote on Aug 7th, 2019 at 3:02pm:
AK...you might want to try making your own clear prop using a clear plastic peanut butter jar.  They're about 4" diameter and for the pusher just remember to place the 15 degree angle to the right instead of the left for a regular tractor prop.  Just a suggestion.


I did, Tom, used one of those flavored water drink bottles. It's too big, about 8", I'll trim it a little.
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Aug 10th, 2019 at 4:19pm
Looks great AK...I look forward to seeing this one in the air...

While grounded I was able to take a couple pics of the Fang with the Design Master Floral Spray "Burgundy"  It's still a bit transparent but give the dark cherry color pretty good.  When I'm up to it, I'll carve the canopy plug and finish up the fiddly bits... here's a couple pics.
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Aug 10th, 2019 at 6:30pm
alf, and Tom, those airplanes look GREAT!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Aug 10th, 2019 at 9:15pm
Thanks Bob!!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Aug 12th, 2019 at 2:06pm
I like the paint! I ordered some flat white for the BeeGee and hope to get the same translucent effect.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Aug 13th, 2019 at 7:41am
AK - I'm still amazed at your work, nicely done and really admire your tissue decals, they blend in perfectly and now a prop. Looking forward to a flight.

Tom - Great color and you got yours from a spray can and I had to develop mine. Beautiful work and coming along really well and sorry to hear of your temporary setback. Better soon hopeully.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Aug 14th, 2019 at 9:36am
Love that prop, Alf...meticulous and careful work.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]  If you haven't done the trimming already...you might consider waiting to see how it goes after a few trim flights before cutting anything down.  A lot of flying props have overly-wide blades as opposed to scale-like narrow ones...whereas you've got some very attractive long blades.  Maybe it's like the difference between high-aspect ratio and standard?  ;)

Tom...great job!  Should get you some nice flights!

Neal

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Aug 14th, 2019 at 3:48pm
Tom, did you dope the tissue before applying the floral spray?

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Aug 14th, 2019 at 4:20pm
I did use a couple thin coats of Krylon Chrystal Clear glossy to seal the tissue.  The Design Master went on over this very well.  I'd test it on some dope first before spraying it on the model, just to be safe.
Tom

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Aug 15th, 2019 at 10:01am
Quick update to let everyone know I'm still working on the Fang. Today will get the wingtips sanded, the cowling filled and sanded and finally those gaping holes that developed while shaping the cowl. Forgot to show the rolled tubes for the guns but they are indeed done and waiting to install after the final sanding. Finally settled on the color and methodology and it is in the Tissue and Finish section. Progress will be on hold tomorrow as the Tall Ships are anchored nearby and we are going.
Mike
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Aug 15th, 2019 at 10:36am
Mike...your fang is looking very good.  I like the solid wing tips.  I'm enjoying your spin on the build!!!
Tom

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by pb_guy on Aug 20th, 2019 at 2:42pm
Time crunch coming. X-1 Wing construction. I decided to go with a symmetrical airfoil and a thin wing. Ribs are 1/32, LE, TE and diagonal members are 1/16. I used 1/8 scrap pieces to hold the LE and TE above the board while the wing parts were glued in place. Wing tips are laminated 1/32 x 1/16.
ian
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by pb_guy on Aug 23rd, 2019 at 3:56pm
Broke a few pieces. Glued a few pieces. Most of the structure is complete except for the canopy, end pieces and top fuselage run. I am leaving the stab opening a little larger so that it can be adjusted later.
ian
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Aug 23rd, 2019 at 11:26pm
Sounds like standard operating procedure for me... you're making good progress!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by strat-o on Aug 26th, 2019 at 4:44pm
Hi Ian, on the X-1 I'm curious, did you achieve the rib shape by starting with rectangular pieces and sanding in the airfoil after they were glued in position?  I've built hand launched gliders that way.  Goes quickly.

Marlin

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by pb_guy on Aug 26th, 2019 at 6:33pm
Hi Marlin. Yes. I cut rib rectangles. Then the LE of the ribs were notched for the 1/16 x 3/32 LE. Then the TE was shaped with straight cuts from the max thickness of the rib. Then after the glue dried, the LE of all ribs was carefully sanded to shape. All sanding of wing and tail surfaces is complete. I have prestreched the orange tissue on a frame. I am working on the cockpit area and the nose and tail blocks now.
ian

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by pb_guy on Aug 31st, 2019 at 11:38am
I coloured the underlying framework with a felt pen and applied the pre-stretched tissue to all but the fuselage. I did the plugs for the fuselage ends, but still have to carve the noseblock. Still to water-shrink and use Krylon for the finish, then assembly.
ian
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Aug 31st, 2019 at 7:36pm
Looks very good.  I'm enjoying your build immensely. 

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Sep 1st, 2019 at 6:19pm
Just now getting to where I'm going to be able to get back to the building bench.  As you can tell I'm into unusual aircraft to model or those less modeled.  Here's a really unusual one from Yugoslavia, the Ikarus 452M early jet of 1953 vintage.
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=IKARUS_452M.PDF (747 KB | 61 )

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by pb_guy on Sep 3rd, 2019 at 6:11pm
I also like 'interesting' aircraft, but usually not jets. The X-1 had to be finished for today so that I could stick it in our local fall fair. This is as far as I was able to take it. Wingspan is 13 1/2 inches. Weight is 13.5 grams without prop or rubber. I stuck a regular prop on for show, but it is not a pusher, and I will replace it later. I gave it a toss before I attached the prop but it stalled, needs more nose weight, balancing at about 50%.
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Sep 3rd, 2019 at 7:13pm
Nice!! Your orange turned out really well!!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by MKelly on Sep 3rd, 2019 at 7:33pm

Sky9pilot wrote on Sep 1st, 2019 at 6:19pm:
Here's a really unusual one from Yugoslavia, the Ikarus 452M early jet of 1953 vintage.


Tom, that's quite an intriguing (and kinda tubby) subject - would be an interesting build.

Ian, the X-1 looks great!

Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Sep 4th, 2019 at 7:23am
The build came out looking great, color right on and decals worked well too. Very nice.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Kerak on Sep 4th, 2019 at 12:39pm
Very nice model, Ian...super job...wonderfully attractive!

Neal

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by pb_guy on Sep 4th, 2019 at 12:50pm
Thanks all. I really like the effect of coloring the underlying balsa structure with felt pens. It has made a big difference on the last few models I have built, and I highly recommend it as it adds almost no weight at all.
ian

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Sep 14th, 2019 at 9:00am
After many days away, got some time to work on the Fang and got out my trusty pin vise and started to drill out the gun ports and the drill found some loose balsa and went astray so I went to the other side and same thing. Beginning to think I'm being punished for some transgression. Also spent some time reworking the wing saddle as the detail disappeared when the enlargement was made and so I went with my best idea at the time and I made the wing in the sliced rib method so it was slightly?? different than the saddle. This is turning out to be an exercise in body work than balsa construction but I will prevail.
Mike   
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Sep 14th, 2019 at 4:53pm
Ian...love your X-1...just not certain about your red prop???  Did you modify it to be a pusher?  The whole ramp device won't work for a pusher on the original prop.  To make it a pusher you'd have to file the ramp off the front and make a flat bearing surface and construct some kind of ramp or free wheeling device for the reverse of the prop...just a thought!

Mike...might I suggest you fill the squares in the cowling and then cut narrow slots just big enough for paper tubes to slide into with a rounded edge in the front of the narrow slots (a round file is very handy for this). I show how to make paper tubes using white glue and bond paper wrapped around a toothpick, dowel or bamboo skewer for size needed. In the Building Tutorials for Beginners and Experienced Modelers: Click Here
Once glued in you can use a razor blade to trim the tubes leaving a nice gun trough.
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by pb_guy on Sep 14th, 2019 at 8:23pm
Actually, Tom, the prop was just for show so that I could put the plane in our local fair (won 4th place, but my Seville Orange Marmalade took first). I have selected some clear plastic to make a lighter pusher prop. I still need to add some nose weight.
ian

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Sep 14th, 2019 at 11:13pm
Congrats on the Marmalade!  Just checking on the prop...figured you had that in hand. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Sep 15th, 2019 at 9:14am
Tom - thank for the guidance and I already had paper tubes made up following your earlier post. The problem came originally when I sanded the cowl and the longerons came through. I filled those holes and started over. I'll cut a smaller slot to start with and enlarge it to fit the tubes as you suggested and using the file rather than the drill will probably work much better. Thanks again for the guidance.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Sep 16th, 2019 at 7:00pm
Well...Alfakilo's Dime Scale build has inspired me to try a new contra-rotating prop model of the Fisher P-75A the further development of the XP-75 and was produced to a small degree.  The contract was cancelled following WWII.  So here's my version of the Fisher P-75A.
Check out Alfakilo's Dime Scale build here: Click Here
Tom
https://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=fisher_P-75A_edit.PDF (845 KB | 34 )

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Sep 28th, 2019 at 10:51am
After about two weeks of not wanting to touch any of my planes or plans, went to work this morning and cut the wing apart to add dihedral and will now be making a cracked rib wing. It was simply too fragile for any more work but an interesting exercise nonetheless.
Mike
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Sep 28th, 2019 at 11:07am
Looks like you're in good shape with the current wing.  Just rebuild the center section and take off the upper outer ribs and sand the spars to the needed dihedral. Replace the outer ribs with solid ribs and then glue the outer panels to the solid ribs. Here's a low tech process if you're wondering how to set the angle... take a strip of cardboard etc. the length of the outer panel and pin it to some balsa you can pin to the board.  Raise one end to the desired dihedral and jig it in place so you can take a 90* angle and mark the lower end with a vertical line. Once this has been done you'll have the angle you need to sand the spars to.  Just cut the vertical line (now at the proper angle) chop off the unnecessary length and you have a template you can use by flipping it over and use to measure the line on each spar of the center section on each side.  Hope this makes sense. I'll draw up a quick and dirty illustration in a few minutes and post it with this post.  If you flip the strip of cardboard (etc.) top edge to bottom edge you'll have the angel for the center spars. Mark each side and sand to mark.
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Sep 28th, 2019 at 1:50pm
One note of caution regarding shrinking the tissue on split or cracked rib wings. I just had this happen to the P-75 wings where the outer panel joins the center section.

The tissue shrank and pulled the top of the end ribs slightly bowed inwards. The result is a lousy joint when joining the panels. I fixed this by gluing a 1/16" strip along the top of the rib and then sanding to fit.

I'll borrow your picture to show what I mean:
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Sep 28th, 2019 at 8:17pm
Good point Ak...especially if your rib balsa is very soft and light...which is what we try to do, build light. A solid sheet rib on the center section each side would help to eliminate that.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Sep 29th, 2019 at 7:29am
AK - Your note was right on target as the same thing happened to my Interstate Cadet with the wing panels joining rib bending in. Had to strip the tissue there and add a rib to the offending rib to get it back into alignment. My plan is for the solid rib on the wing panel to be 3/32 and maybe same for the center section. I really need this wing since the wing saddle has been reworked twice to get the wing to even remotely fit properly. This plane has been a test from the beginning, at one point I was standing over the garage garbage can with the fuselage in hand but thought better of that plan, that was not the way to go, can't give up that easily.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Sep 30th, 2019 at 9:28am
Decided to repair the center section as well since it contains the spars and the ribs that match the wings. It was a bit embarrassing to see how out of square the ribs were however the correction is well under way.
Mike
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Sep 30th, 2019 at 10:12am

New Builder wrote on Sep 29th, 2019 at 7:29am:
...the wing saddle has been reworked twice to get the wing to even remotely fit properly.


Building a kit or scratchbuilding from a plan, no matter. I think one of the major irritants is getting a wing to fit. If we are trying to add a little incidence that can leave the trailing edge hanging below the bottom contour or conversely, have the leading edge a little higher than it should look.

The Five Ps is always a good idea! That and a lot of patience! Sometimes the urge to chuck it is huge...then it's time for a break!! This is supposed to be fun!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Oct 1st, 2019 at 7:33am
You are absolutely right, it is supposed to be fun but my quest for self-improvement does get in the way that's why there was a two week break to get my "mojo" back. All is well now and the fun returned when I started rebuilding the wing breaks and the center section. I'm also a subscriber to the five P principle but there are those times when...
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Oct 4th, 2019 at 8:23am
Greater progress than ever, wings attached to center section, fuselage nearly complete for covering, just some final sanding and the gun troughs and tissue going on. Tissue pulled the vertical stabilizer out of square, I've never had tissue pull that much. Wetted the main spar and fastened it to the building board twice and finally got it back into line, covering the other side should stabilize that. Should be able to finalize the fuselage in the next two or three days, final sand the wings and, hopefully cover the entire plane. Did some testing with tissue on the solid surface but when I opened the dope jar there was a smell of rotten eggs and the water color had precipitated out of solution and hardened on the bottom. Got it all back into solution and it went on OK but the smell has me concerned. Going to the art supply store today and will get new water color and maybe start over if the dope seems bad.
Mike
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Oct 5th, 2019 at 10:46am
Mike...she's looking very nice!  Wish my bones on my Fang looked that good!!!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Oct 5th, 2019 at 3:25pm
Tom - Thanks for the good words and thanks to both you and Alf for pulling me out of my slump. Alf's right, this should be fun and it is again. Thanks again.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Oct 9th, 2019 at 12:37pm
As is the usual case...life sometimes gets in the way of modeling.  Had inlaws in town and had a good time with them and got them back to the airport (Portland PDX) always interesting because the Air Force shares the airport on the south side with F-15's as interceptors.  Didn't see any F-15's flying but still fun to see these big pieces of metal flying by!!!   

Have to dig out the chop saw for the canopy plug for the "Fang"... at 27" span she over maxes the balsa block sizes I had so had to order some balsa blocks.  Got a box of assorted blocks/left overs from the balsawood store.  Now to carve the plug for vacuforming.  Got to build another vacuform box, as the other was lost in the move from Texas back to CA...always something to do in keeping the modeling supplies and tools up to date!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Oct 10th, 2019 at 7:58am
Very glad to see you are back on the Fang, everything looks great and was waiting to see the canopy and you are right, at that size it is a big job. The span on my Fang is around 20" and that canopy is a bit big also. I'm making a new plastic holding device for my vac box as the old one had no guides and a too simple method for holding the plastic and it would move around when heated and landing the frame was too off center. Always something to do.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Oct 12th, 2019 at 11:33am
Flying surfaces covered and doped. Some minor touch up work on the fuselage plus the gun ports and it's off to the color part of the build.
Mike
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Oct 16th, 2019 at 9:15am
On the home stretch now and started the fuselage covering. Began on the rear deck and after coming back to the building board got the news that stripping the new tissue was needed and some support added to the underside of three stringers and recover. Just one of those things on the trail of scale modelling.
Mike
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:00pm
Coming to the end of the Fang project, finally. Been away for some time but finished the sanding and trim of the parts this morning and finalized the color. Final tissue will go on today, color hopefully tomorrow and Monday and start the canopy plug into the week.
Mike 
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 2:14pm
Making great progress!!! Your Fang is looking fantastic.  I've started my plug but had a bout with gout in my left hand and couldn't hold anything to carve for almost a month!  Doing much better now.  Old age isn't for Sissies!! :P :D ;)

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Nov 24th, 2019 at 8:49am

Quote:
Old age isn't for Sissies!!

Thank you for the good words and you are so right. Amazing what was never thought of when we were younger is now something to deal with. I was wondering what was slowing you down on your Fang, you are usually very quick on these details but glad to see you are back on your game. Seems I work and work and it does not look much different day to day but almost there. The markings and fillets will probably take a bit of time but the majority of the work is done.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Nov 27th, 2019 at 8:40am
Greetings All - I think it's time for this cookup to come to a close since I'm the lone holdout. I'll be away for several more days and I'll post the final pictures as an individual project along with the Culver Dart. Thanks to all that looked in and participated.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Nov 27th, 2019 at 11:44am
Mike,
This cookup hasn't been closed and it's the Administrators who open and close Cookups.  There are still people with models to finish, including Sky9pilot.  Many still read the new posts to see how things are progressing.  You should finish your build here! I hope I wasn't too harsh.  But life gets in the way of builds and this can cause delays in finishing a build.  I don't want to penalize anyone for not finishing their build as fast as others!  So this Cookup is still open...Remember this is a "FUN" hobby, even if it takes a long time to complete your build!
Sky9pilot

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Nov 30th, 2019 at 5:35pm
Sorry for not being around lately. I see that it may be time for this cookup to be finalized, but before this happens we need a head count.

Please chime in if you have finished your build and lets see who is still not finished.

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Nov 30th, 2019 at 6:02pm
X-1 finished.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Nov 30th, 2019 at 8:45pm
I'm still working on the 27" span Fang...Hope to have the canopy and prop finished soon.
Sky9pilot

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Nov 30th, 2019 at 11:47pm
I still have:

1. vac canopy for F8F.
2. vac canopy for P-47.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Dec 1st, 2019 at 7:39am
Still working on the Fang, not much new to see. All tissuing finished, color determined, markings finished, guns made and waiting color and block cut for canopy vacuuming but no shaping as yet.
Mike
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 7:59pm
Here is where I am at even with the dust.

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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Dec 24th, 2019 at 12:55pm
Nearly finished with the Fang. Got some color on over the past few days and the control surfaces outlined on the tail surfaces. Spinner done, prop blanks redone since I got a little aggressive in trimming the first set and think the props would be too narrow. The Russian stars are complete waiting to be cut out of the tissue and mounted. I did a test of the stars on a spare wing and all seemed to be good. Fuselage is down to matching some lighter areas with the overall. Wing will be started and hopefully done by next Thursday, markings installed and the canopy block is started.
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Craig 3 on Dec 24th, 2019 at 1:00pm
That's looking beautiful, New Builder! I love red aeroplanes!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Dec 28th, 2019 at 8:12am
Hi Craig - Thanks for looking in and the nice words. Almost done and can get back to my other builds.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Dec 28th, 2019 at 8:14am

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I am at even with the dust

Hi Bob - Your planes are looking great and the canopies will finish them off nicely. Know exactly what you are talking about, my Fang canopy started much bigger than it needed to so most of it is ending up on the garage floor.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Dec 28th, 2019 at 12:56pm
NB, thank you for the kind words, the photos do not show all of the blemishes. I have been looking forward to the FANG's tissue job. I see that you sprayed the red on. What paint did you use and did it do anything to the tissue while drying?

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Dec 28th, 2019 at 5:22pm
Hi Bob - The color is Dr. PH Martin ink. I used the one marked red and poured out 1/2 ounce in my airbrush bottle and added three drops of blue, stirred it up and sprayed it in about 6 to 8 passes letting it dry between passes. Since it is predominately water each pass must be very light and just misted on. The tissue will begin to wrinkle and you should stop to let it tighten up. It will soon begin to cover and then you can blend the lighter areas into the darker ones, takes a lot of patience and have to stay pretty far away from the plane with the airbrush.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jan 1st, 2020 at 9:12am
Parts and bumps prepped and installed, spinner done, Russian Star emblem installed on fuselage and exhaust stain on fuse side. Got a whole day to work on the Fang and wing will be colored today and control outlines done tomorrow along with Russian Star insignias and the Hero Of The Soviet Union emblem. Work on the propeller has begun but not sure how I want to proceed since I made a sizable nick in the base of the propeller and had thought it would be a good place for the blade to pass thru. Blades are remolded and will be attached to what ever I can squeeze into that small opening along with a free wheel tab. More to come.
Mike
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by MKelly on Jan 1st, 2020 at 11:25am
That looks really nice Mike - the gun ports and bumps turned out well and add a lot of life to the fuselage.

Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jan 2nd, 2020 at 7:14am
Mike - Thanks for looking in and the nice words. Am approaching the end,  I seem to be finding more to do every day and can't stop midway. I think the little details left will finish it up, want to get back to my Culver Dart.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jan 4th, 2020 at 8:25am
Nearing the end. Assembly, fillets, canopy and done. Forgot to mention the weight gain of the color, 1 gram gain on the wing total, tissue, color and emblems.
Mike
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jan 4th, 2020 at 12:12pm
Mike,
She's looking great!!!  I love the lines on this bird!!! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Craig 3 on Jan 4th, 2020 at 1:01pm
Mike, that airplane is drop-dead gorgeous!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jan 5th, 2020 at 7:55am

Quote:
She's looking great!!!  I love the lines on this bird!!!

Tom - Thank you for the good words and looking in. I was hoping I could do some justice to your drawings, I'm pretty happy with the build so far.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jan 5th, 2020 at 7:58am
Craig - Thank you for the great words and I think some of my experiments with color and markings came out pretty good. Still need to contend with the fillets but so far, so good.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Jan 13th, 2020 at 5:45pm
Still working on the "Fang".  I've been trying to carve a plug for the canopy.  Aparently the balsa block I got is "Iron Wood Balsa"  I have really been struggling with trying to carve this plug.  So much so I've reverting to an old style canopy in two or three pieces.  Windshield, sliding section and turtle deck section.  I think this will save my sanity and allow me to complete the "Fang"!   :-[ ::) :o ;)

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jan 15th, 2020 at 9:07am
Seems we are both working on the same problem and sorry you need to shift gears on the construction methodology. I originally considered something like that modeled on the AT6 canopy style. Good luck on the endeavor. I can only spend about 30 minutes at a time in the garage sanding the plug, it's about 28 degrees in there. Also need to rework my vacuum form tool since I made it too big for the available plastic sheets that are around in the local hobby shop. Hopefully will be done with the canopy plug by the weekend.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Jan 27th, 2020 at 5:35pm
Mike, really nice job on your FANG [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I pushed forward on vacuuming the canopies for the F8F and P-47. It took (2) tries to come up empty handed. The first time I clouded the plastic, the second you can see the ridges of the cookie container left a line.

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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Jan 28th, 2020 at 9:48am
Bob - Thank you for the good words on the Fang, it's about 32 degrees in the vacuum form shop (garage) so putting off most work out there till I have more to do. That's really disappointing about the canopies after all the work on the plug but you still have the plug so third try a charm?
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Feb 21st, 2020 at 9:38am
Thought I should post some progress on the Fang so nobody thought I had abandoned the project. The canopy plug is about complete and the prop is molded and ready for mounting in the spinner if I can find it, think the kitten has made away with it so a new one is ready to be formed. Probably find the old one when that one is done.
Mike

Edit: Found it and everything else behind a power strip in my building room, unscathed.
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Mar 11th, 2020 at 12:33pm
The Fang has a canopy....sorta. Vacuumed my first canopy this afternoon and had a couple of failures, mostly the plastic picked up every flaw and dent in the plug so that is fixed. The next problem was the plastic completely wrapped under the plug and was hard to remove and as result, I cut a bit too much of the flange and got into the canopy itself. I have reduced the height of the standoff considerably. So, hopefully someone can guide me as to the best method for trimming the flange. Thanks in advance for any guidance.
Mike

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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by alfakilo on Mar 11th, 2020 at 1:21pm

New Builder wrote on Mar 11th, 2020 at 12:33pm:
So, hopefully someone can guide me as to the best method for trimming the flange. Thanks in advance for any guidance.
Mike


Mike, I know the problem! To avoid this, I make the plug bigger on the bottom and at the rear to allow for trimming. Before making the canopy, I draw the desired contours on the plug to help later when cutting the extra plastic away. You can also trace the desired contours on to the plastic with a Sharpie before removing the plug. The Sharpie ink comes right off with alcohol.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Mar 11th, 2020 at 6:10pm
Tools needed to trim canopies to fit a fuselage:  Single edge razor, Straight Toenail scissors, Yellow Frog tape or sharpie marker for outlining the edge of the canopy.

I'm assuming (I know that's dangerous) that the "flange" you speak of is the plastic that wraps under the mold as it is vacuformed.
When I have vacuformed a canopy, I then take a new single edge razor and gently and carefully pierce the canopy plastic that has curved under the mold right under the mold.  Once I have the edge of the razor blade through the plastic I tried to keep the razor blade flat on the bottom of the mold as I work it aroung the mold bottom.  (I try to make the mold a bit longer on each side of the bottom of what the canopy would be for trimming to fit later)  Once the plastic has been trimmed even with the bottom of the mold, it's easy to remove the plastic from the mold.
 
Now it's time to trim the back of the canopy if it's not a bubble canopy.  You'll want to trim it as close as you can to the contour of the fuselage as possible so the only lip on the canopy is the thickness of the canopy.

The scissors make it easier to trim the bottom edges of the canopy.  The yellow Frog tape cut in strips 1/8" strip help to keep the scissors straight as I cut the bottom edge of the canopy.  Hope this is helpful.

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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Mar 12th, 2020 at 7:46am
Tom and AK - Thank you for the input and direction. I have all the tools except the razor blade but will have the single edge version that AK posted, will arrive on the 14th. It all seems pretty straight forward until you touch the plastic, mine is .007 in. thick. Got this at the local hobby shop and will use it for tests and got some .015 in material at Hobby Lobby last time we visited the states. Will use that for the final draw. I have cancelled all my away time until well into the summer so more results soon.

Thanks again for the help.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Mar 25th, 2020 at 6:24pm
Well, finally got out of the CAD program and completed the canopy frame for the Fang...
I have some celophane that I will use to fill in the window panels.  That will come tomorrow. I'll make paper patterns and then cut the celophane to the pattern.  Here's the canopy frame pics.

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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Mar 25th, 2020 at 6:56pm
Tom.

1. great job.
2. is that wood on the canopy frame?
3. would you post photos of your process in making the paper especially for the wind screen.

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Mar 25th, 2020 at 7:11pm
Thanks Bob,
The frame is balsa and reed.  The rounded windscreen frame is reed. The rest is balsa laminated for the front inverted "U" and I had some 3/32" sq that had been soaking for quite awhile, actually had forgotten it was in the soak tube.  I wrapped them around the forms and let them dry overnight.  The top "T" frame between the "U's" is 3/32" sq.

I'll try to do a "How To" on the paper forms for the canopy panes tomorrow.   

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by pb_guy on Mar 25th, 2020 at 11:54pm
Excellent canopy framing!
ian

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Mar 31st, 2020 at 11:13am
I'm finally beginning to master the canopy making business but have a bit of distance to go. The canopy is one of the early ones I vacuumed and it has a lot of flaws because of the imperfections in the plug and was too small for the space it needed to go. However, it did make a great experimental tool to figure out the framing and trim. Started with decal sheet pieces colored to match the fuselage but they were too fragile so went to colored tissue and glue stick with much better results. I've added material to the back and bottom of the plug and polished it smooth so new canopy coming soon.
Mike
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Mar 31st, 2020 at 1:00pm
The photos show a beautiful canopy Mike.

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Mar 31st, 2020 at 1:23pm
Bob - Thank you for the good words. It is a work in progress as is most of the things we do in this hobby and is my first serious vacuum forming and detailing. The next and last for this airplane will be much better.
Mike

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Mar 31st, 2020 at 7:15pm
Ditto what Bob said on that canopy.  I am trying to fulfill Bob's request here and so here's my making an old fashioned canopy by fitting panels to the canopy framework. 

I used scrap paper to make the patterns but feel free to use a sheet of bond/printer paper to make your patterns.  I use a pencil to trace the pattern from the paper laying over the framework.  I cut the paper into smaller sizes to closely fit the panel that will be traced. 

I like to use the desk lamp to backlight the paper and framework to make tracing the panel easier.  I then cut just outside the traceing about 1/16". 

Once that is done I place the pattern on the framework and rub around the edges to crease the pattern where it's too large.  I then use scissors to trim the pattern back to the creases. 

Once I'm satisfied with the pattern I trace that on the celophane/plastic I'll be using.  I use a sharpie thin marker.  The ink can be removed once it's cut out by using isopropyl alcohol in a wrag to remove it.  Cleans the plastic as well.

I usually cut out the front windscreen and rear canopy portions first. Then add the sliding/folding portion of the canopy last to overlap the other two areas.  I'll cover the seams with painted or double tissue to make the outside framework.  On this one I plan to paint the outside framework using the floral spray used on the tissue.  I'll spray a sheet of white label sheet and cut to size.

I used Aleene's Tacky Glue thinned with water to attach the celophane panels.  I apply it and let it set to get "Tacky" then add another thin coat with a small brush just before applying the panels.  I use small steel hair clips to help hold the celophane in place till the glue dries.  I try to stretch the celophane as tight as I can without pulling it off the fuselage joints that can be only held by masking tape.  I use the yellow masking tape. Easy release so it doesn't pull up the finish on the tissue. Here's the pics...
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Mar 31st, 2020 at 7:25pm
Making an old fashioned canopy part 2

I've gone through the process of making paper patterns and trimming them to fit. 
If you have closely made the framework symetrical you should be able to use the same pattern for the triangular panels each side of the central windscreen panel.

Once satisfied you can them apply them to the framework.  You can use steel hairclips to help hold the plastic/celophane in place.  If using plastic sheet you find that rolling the plastic on a 1/4" or 1/2" dowel or similar shape will help the plastic to conform to the canopy framework.  The celophane is not a problem to bend to the framework but it hard to get it smooth if there are many contours you will be making...like the front windscreen.  I wait a day or so to let the glue really dry and you'll find that Aleene's Tacky Glue dries clear when it is completely cured.  In the last picture you'll see a piece of reed around the bottom of the windscreen port side.  This is held in place by a hairclip at the cockpit opening and by a pin in the fuselage.  This won't show once glue is dry.

Once that is done a hair dryer or heat gun on low applied to the celophane (make sure you don't get too close or you'll be doing this all over again) will cause the celophane to tighten up nicely.  Remember a little heat goes along way with celophane!!!  Here's the rest of the pictures till I finish the sliding section.
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Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Apr 1st, 2020 at 8:36am
Tom - Thank you very much for the tutorial. You have validated much of my thinking about pattern making but provided a lot more detail and made my work much easier. Sorry to say however that I have been directed to be out of action by my doctor for at least three to four weeks due to a shoulder injury I got falling on the ice on my driveway about three weeks back. Bone bruise and hairline crack on the upper arm bone. Can type right handed (I'm left handed as fate would have it) so will be looking in every day. Thanks again for the tutorial.

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by Sky9pilot on Apr 1st, 2020 at 12:46pm
Sorry to hear about your injury.  You're in our thoughts and prayers!  Take it easy.  I know about those upper arm/shoulder injuries.  Rest up and check in when you can!

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by bigrip74 on Apr 1st, 2020 at 2:03pm
Mike, wishing you a speedy recovery.

Bob

Title: Re: TOM AKERY PLANS COOKUP?
Post by New Builder on Apr 2nd, 2020 at 8:35am
Thanks for the well wishes Bob. Didn't realize how much I miss working on my airplanes. Spending time cleaning my workroom, cataloging my plans and generally hoping for a good outcome. If this Covid sheltering at home wasn't bad enough, can't cut and sand. Am however noodling on a trailing edge forming tool and an all around balancing fixture. This too shall pass.
Mike

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