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Message started by alfakilo on Jul 21st, 2019 at 11:27am

Title: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by alfakilo on Jul 21st, 2019 at 11:27am
An early WW2 Italian fighter, pretty mediocre at best. Still wrestling with the two-tone green camo scheme. Current idea is to airbrush a light green color on tissue and then use a sharpie -type pen to ink in the dark green stuff. Minor deviation from the picture is a yellow cowl. 13" w/s, plug in gear.

Adapted from a Pres Bruning plan that requires some imagination!!
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Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:24pm
WoW AK...looks fantastic.  The fella (Starleaf) who did the B-47 did one a bit larger on SFA many years ago in the sand and spinach scheme...I'll look for that link...  Found the SFA article in the archives but the pictures were all deleted/lost.  So it's not much help just each post of the thread on the build.  Too bad.  Great looking model.  Yours will be fantastic I'm sure!
I do hope you're talking of inking with the pen after the light green spray before applying to the aircraft.  Markers tend to poke through the tissue as the ink saturates the tissue when doing large areas, don't ask how I found that out! :-[ ::) ;D  You'll want a good backing to the tissue for inking the dark green on!
Tom

Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by Kerak on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:46pm
Nice lookin' job, Alf...ambitious scheme you've chosen.  I too tried my hand at Pres's little Fiat some years ago...the challenge for me was where the wing and fuselage meet at the leading edge.

I'd say that a coat of clear dope will do wonders for toughening up that tissue...preparatory to using markers...otherwise tissue will blot up a lot of ink.

Neal
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Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by alfakilo on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 6:52am

Kerak wrote on Jul 21st, 2019 at 8:46pm:
I too tried my hand at Pres's little Fiat some years ago...the challenge for me was where the wing and fuselage meet at the leading edge.Neal


Exactly! If that not-so-little detail was shown in the plan, then I couldn't find it. So, rather than puzzle over the plan construction, I did what we all would do, just add a former for the cowl to the front of the fuselage box, and then glue it on. Rather than mess with modifying the LE, I chose to cut out the cowl to make room for it. Looking at real life pics, that is what Fiat seemed to do as well.

The camo scheme is continuing to be a challenge. I did make some headway by attaching a large piece of white Esaki to a frame, shrunk it a little, and then airbrushed it with a light green acrylic from Vallejo. I then laid the taut tissue in the frame over a piece of printer paper with the green camo pattern. Then I used an artist felt tip pen to color in the dark green 'lines'. This did not do well. The tissue held up OK but the marker ink ended up with some parts being darker than others. Didn't look right. I experimented a little with some Prismacolor pencils but the result was so-so as well.

Next, I printed the camo pattern on to a piece of airbrushed tissue. The dark green 'lines' aren't very dark but the overall outcome shows promise. I'm not ready to give up on this quite yet!



Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by Kerak on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 8:26am
If ever there was a subject ripe for pre-printed camouflage covering...I think that Fiat fills the bill.  I didn't choose anything near as artistic as you're doing, Alf...but the nature of the national wing markings might pose some difficult challenges.  They don't have a solid color inside that outer circle...i.e., they lend themselves well to some form of clear transfer decal...that detailed camo is going to need to appear inside the national markings!  As such...I found myself having to hand paint them.  All markings on my Fiat are hand-painted save the fuselage fasces and that little coat-of-arms on the rudder cross...which are "paper-cals."

The only time I've ever used printed covering, complete with detailed markings, was during my Aviatik DI build...worked marvelously...saved tons of time and consternation.  ;)  Looked "Purdy good," too.  If one is going to print the covering...might as well try to work details like national markings into it as well.  Just a thought.

Aesthetically...the G50/55 imo was one ugly airplane.  :D ;D ;D ;D  However, I read that it actually was easy to maintain in the field...and not totally ineffective...utilitarian I think.  Actually served on the Eastern Front as well as North Africa!

Ok, enough with my cluttering up your great build.  Dandy lookin' bones, Alf.  Gonna be another winner for certain.[smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Neal

Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by New Builder on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 12:45pm
Alf - You really do pick very interesting planes to model and the progress is great. Hoping the color scheme works out soon.
Mike

Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by alfakilo on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 4:28pm
Making progress with the camo. Airbrushed white Esaki (dull side) on a frame. Cut that tissue out and ran it thru my printer to print the camo pattern on it. This resulted in a much better (opaque) light green background color.

Then used UHU stick to attach the tissue dry. The stab was easy, it's flat. The wing with its airfoil curve, not so much. Fiddled with it and then threw caution to the wind and tried a light water shrink. Not a good idea as the colors are not waterproof. Not too much damage done.

Then went back to alcohol to try to massage the wrinkles out and then mist the tissue with alcohol to shrink. Mixed results. Still a work in progress.

Here's the stab.
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Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 4:46pm
Stab looks terrific!  Applying the dry tissue to the wing upper surface is always a challenge for me.  I really prefer wet application for wing upper surfaces.  But you need good esaki or good domestic to hold up to wet application.  I'd airbrush that scheme on any plane I'd be doing with that camo!!!
Tom

Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by alfakilo on Jul 24th, 2019 at 1:55pm
The inability to shrink the tissue has left quite a few wrinkles, etc. Tried shrinking with only alcohol, a little improvement but the alcohol seemed to blur the dark areas.

That canopy bow will be removed once the canopy is in place.
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Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 24th, 2019 at 2:41pm
What a beauty!!! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] that camo scheme really pops agains the black background.  This is a great job.  You might try some steam to shrink the tissue some more.  I've heard of some modelers hanging the model in the bathroom up high as they took a shower to let the steam saturate the tissue and then leave it hanging to shrink as the steam dissipated.
Tom

Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by Kerak on Jul 25th, 2019 at 9:10am
HOLY GUACAMOLE!  You nailed it, Alf! Very unique...and looks GREAT!

As for wrinkles...butyrate dope does have shrinking qualities and does not seem to effect printer inks...at least that's my experience...been sealing tissue-cals for years with the stuff.

On the other hand...looks fine as is.

Neal

Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 25th, 2019 at 3:24pm
After reviewing the pics...do you have some dihedral in the wing?  Looks very flat to me?  You might need a bit more dihedral for that low wing setup.
Tom

Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by alfakilo on Jul 26th, 2019 at 3:55pm

Sky9pilot wrote on Jul 25th, 2019 at 3:24pm:
After reviewing the pics...do you have some dihedral in the wing?  Looks very flat to me?  You might need a bit more dihedral for that low wing setup.
Tom


Yes, but the angle is close to scale, not very much. As the build progressed, I saw it evolving more as a display rather than a flyer. So, I decided to not increase the dihedral.

Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by alfakilo on Jul 26th, 2019 at 3:58pm
Almost there!! Still have to deal with a spinner, the gun troughs (tissue), add the canopy side panels, and the exhaust stacks.
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Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by Sky9pilot on Jul 26th, 2019 at 5:04pm
WoW...she looks fantastic!

Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by New Builder on Jul 27th, 2019 at 7:16am
Fantastic indeed. Great job overcoming the tissue printing problem and all looks just great.
Mike

Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by MKelly on Jul 27th, 2019 at 8:22pm
Really sharp AK!  The camo approach turned out very nicely.

Cheers,

Mike

Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by alfakilo on Jul 28th, 2019 at 11:00am
Thanks to all for your kind words!

I'm happy with the overall appearance, stand back far enough and all the imperfections tend to disappear! I managed to get close to the colors that I wanted, but at the expense of tissue that was difficult to work with. My inability to shrink out the wrinkles is noticeable.

Maybe having a color laser printer could have eliminated much of the tissue issues, but that's too big an expense for me. I'm wondering if a local printer might do a small batch job like this?

Finally, at my skill level, I think larger models might be more flyable. At Peanut size, I can't seem to avoid packing the weight on.
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Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by Kerak on Jul 28th, 2019 at 1:42pm
Superb model, Alf...great addition to your collection!  I know what you're saying about getting peanut scale models to fly well...my curse as well.  It's that old scale effect.  Seems I would rather have my builds look like their namesake rather than fly.  ;)  About the only way to beat that situation is to build large.  Even then, free-flight is no mean feat of accomplishment.  Still...there is real satisfaction in building an attractive model...regardless of its size. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Beautiful work...artist.

Neal

Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by Dan on Sep 7th, 2019 at 1:12pm
Fantastic job! I don't know if I'd even think of attempting such a color scheme. I'll have to research the meaning of the wing markings...they look like a 5-speed shift pattern!

Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by alfakilo on Sep 8th, 2019 at 10:00am
Thanks, Dan!!

Here's a Wiki explanation. Reading it, I see that I put the wing decals on incorrectly. Drat!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regia_Aeronautica

Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by Dan on Sep 8th, 2019 at 4:48pm
You're very welcome. After enlarging the photos, it seems that both wing roundels are for the right wing. It's likely that most observers wouldn't have any clue that a mistake was made.

Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by Belugawhaleman on Oct 30th, 2019 at 2:04pm
A great looking model.Well done.

Title: Re: Fiat G 50 Arrow
Post by bigrip74 on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 1:47am
alf, I need your printer ;D for the upcoming Winter cookup.

NICE JOB [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


Bob

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