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Re: Laird Super Solution
Reply #17 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 8:32am
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John,

Thanks a million for sharing that great picture and story.  Wish I could have been there too.  What a catch!

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Reply #16 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:27am
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I was in one of the vendor's tents at Oshkosh when the salesperson said "excuse me for a minute, I have to get this picture". I followed him and shot this with a cheap drug store camera I carried in my flight jacket.
Matty Laird in the suit, Jimmy Doolittle on the right.
  

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Reply #15 - Mar 5th, 2013 at 8:08pm
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Yep....

That's it.... Ok to do with a peanut could be done for a larger model.  I've found nice straight foamboard at the Dollar Tree Store approximatel 24"X36" or so, that would work.

Lots of ideas floating around out there...

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Reply #14 - Mar 5th, 2013 at 6:44pm
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You're talking about this one?

  

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Reply #13 - Mar 5th, 2013 at 6:39pm
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Wow, that's an incredible site, thanks for the link!
  

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Reply #12 - Mar 5th, 2013 at 1:00pm
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Bobber,

Looks like he made those out of foam board.  I've seen fuselage jigs made from foam board that works like my vertical former jig. 

Check out this post on a Japanese site showing this type of foamboard jig.  It's found a little over half way down the posting at post on 2010/09/28 Lattlesnake P51-D Mustang No. 1
http://jiroaerop.mo-blog.jp/peanutscale/cat6659543/

The Japanese modellers on that Peanut site are amazing, the skill and detail on those small models are outstanding.

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Reply #11 - Mar 5th, 2013 at 7:17am
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Here's a link to John's Laird SS page.  It's the first photo on the top left.  From what I can tell he has cut out the part of the plan that shows the angle of the fuse and made trapezoid squares out of it in order to make sure the shape is accurate.
  

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Reply #10 - Mar 5th, 2013 at 12:27am
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Bobber,
It appears that some sites don't want us to link to them.  I was unable to link directly to the site through the link posted.  Please let us know if anyone can link thru the one posted and we'll leave it up.

Glad you got the plans.  I frequently make copies of the plan and them compare them using a light table or held up to a window to check accuracy of the copy.  I then cut the copy up for patterns for formers, ribs, jig angles,canopy patterns (top and side view) etc....

Can't wait to see your first pictures

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Reply #9 - Mar 4th, 2013 at 6:18pm
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Plans arrived in the mail.  John Ernst uses trapezoid jigs for the fuse.  Looks like he cut them out using an extra set of plans.  I'm going to have to make some copies.  Take a look:
http://mysite.verizon.net/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.htmllinkedwidth=a...
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Reply #8 - Feb 16th, 2013 at 4:58pm
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Tom's right about the links.
He is also right about balsa selection. It can get obsessive, if you let it.

Here's a tip if you buy local,:
Hold the sheet up to the light, and work it a little with your hands.  That will tell an amazing amount about the grain and quality. I don't compete, so I just buy the lightest stuff they have and go with it.  I'm like Tom on that, A few loops and a good landing makes me feel pretty good.
Go for mostly straight grained stuff. The "c" grain will come on it's own, it's common. Straight grain for stringers, the rest for ribs and formers. Most times, you will get both in the same sheet. You will see when the light shines thru it.
Don't be afraid to sort thru the pile, just be sure to put back what you don't want into the proper bin. 
Most hobby shops have 8 to 15 lbs wood. If you find one sheet that is WAY lighter than the rest, grab it. Even if it is spongy, you can use it for filler.  With practice, you will develop a feel for it. Super lite wood is nice, but hard to work with and soft. Even when I buy competition wood, I go for 8 or 6 pound. Softer than that is hard for me to work with. Just my opinion. Your mileage may vary... Smiley Cool

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Reply #7 - Feb 14th, 2013 at 1:16pm
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Too cool!!  Would love to see it built ...

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Reply #6 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 9:42pm
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Bobber,

Re: balsa, you might want to check out the links that Thymekiller posted on choosing balsa and the rating of balsa and it's types, here:

http://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1305765475

Not competing in any contest, I'm pretty happy when the model makes a few circuits around the park where I go to fly.  So I'm happy with the balsa I'm able to get at the local hobby shop.  I look for light balsa free from warps and uniform in flexibility the length of the sheet.  I try to stay away from balsa that is spongy or the opposite from spongy, hard as a rock.  Amazing the spread of balsa available.  Lots of guys suggest taking a scale to weight the sheet individually looking for a weight of 4-7 grams per sheet.  If your really into contest grade balsa then you'll want to order some balsa from some of the suggested suppliers listed under the Plans section "Supplies" board:   http://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?board=supplies

check out all these links and read up to decide how much you want to delve into this balsa selection thing.  I am a bit more picky than I used to be when re-starting in this wonderful hobby about 6 years ago.  Lighter is always better for good flying models, but it's a skill learning how to build strong enough for handling and flying stress yet light enough to max out the flying times for contest. 

Hope this is helpful, just remember, your expectations and desires will determine the class of wood you will use.  Enjoy learning the ins and out of balsa and give yourself some wiggle room.

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Reply #5 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 6:26pm
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Well that is some good encouragement!  You just might have pushed me over.  I need some thoughts on selecting balsa wood.  There are a couple of shops here in town that supply it.  Do you think that would be a good place to start or would I do better ordering some from a dedicated to flying shop?

Here's the link to the plans for the Laird Super Solution:

http://www.ozarkmodelaviation.com/products.php?cat=9

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Reply #4 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 6:17pm
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Bobber,

Thanks for the link.  John is an expert builder.  He really has come close to the finish with available tissue colors.  ( I don't believe John likes to use paint on his models, perfers tissue only to keep things light)

You can learn a lot from studying John's site and his builds.  Great stuff.

Thanks again for sharing this....come on, build the "Solution", you'll like it and we'll help all we can!


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Reply #3 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 6:09pm
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John Ernst has built one of these and came pretty close to the paint scheme.  Take a look: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze8ljo4/johnsmodels/id13.html
  

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