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Re: Schnider Trophy Cook up?
Reply #37 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 5:41pm
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OK Bob...we'll put you down....this is going to be fun.  Haven't built a float plane since Columbus shortly landed in Florida!!! Cheesy Wink

Looks like the Italians will be dominating this Schneider Cup race/build!! Grin Wink  Edit: with our latest additions we have the French joining in with the British and potential U.S. so the Italians will have plenty of competition!

Found this link on the Schneider Trophy Cup that y'all might interesting! Click Here
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Reply #36 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 5:24pm
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Tom,

1. Piaggio P7
2. Curtiss R3c

if the Piaggio is too much of a pain I will switch over to the R3c.

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Reply #35 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 5:17pm
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With Terry and Brad that makes this official... we have a Schneider Trophy Cup Cookup going.
Guys this is an open ended build to be finished when you get it finished.  A rough target is December 31,2017 To keep this as a cookup all post should be in this thread.  Keeps the cookup together and we can all see each one's progress as we post our own progress.  So please don't start individual threads for your builds.  This will keep all the Sneider Trophy planes together in this one section.  This is what makes a cookup different from individual builds.  They don't have to have actually flown in the races, just were made for the races and attempted to fly!!! 1911 to 1931.

I now declare the Sneider Trophy Cookup open and active.  Do we have a list of planes yet?

1. Sky9pilot is doing the Macchi Castoldi MC-72
2. Staubkorb is doing the Piaggio
3. Brad is doing the Piaggio also
4. Terryman is doing the Sopwith Schneider (am I right here Terry?)
5. Bob is doing...which 5 have you decided on Bob? Grin Cheesy Wink So Bob's decided on the Piaggio/or the Curtiss R3c
6. David/balsafliesbetter...Moraine Saulnier Type H
7. Neal is doing the Savoia S13
8. John is doing the 1913 Deperdussin
Anyone else want to join the fun?  Please feel free to join us!!!
Tom
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Reply #34 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 4:46pm
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Brad, welcome to the madness. If I read the directions correctly, we post to this forum. Tom am I correct? Shocked

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Reply #33 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 4:26pm
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This looks like fun.  I'm in and will be building a Piaggio.   Perfect timing since I'm just finishing up a plane now.

Do we post progress here under cook-ups?

Let the games begin  Smiley
  

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Reply #32 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 12:54pm
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Well Bob...if we've got a year to wind 'er up...might as well count me into this group.  I think that'll be enough time.  Grin

Scanning all the choices...like Terry, I'm a bit averse to hanging floats under an airplane...especially a single float at the tail.  So...I'm considering something from Savoia, a boat with wings.  The only thing that bothers me about the design is the long motor stick hanging out front.  Can't imagine packing many turns onto a stick without it twisting considerably.  But then...ability to fly or not has never been much of a concern to me in the past.  Grin  If is doesn't...it doesn't, etc.  Wink

Found a site that illustrates a great little electric rc build...inspiration. https://www.behance.net/gallery/11539427/Savoia-S13-Schneider-Trophy-Racer

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Reply #31 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 9:51am
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Sky9pilot wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 3:31pm:
Bob...let me see if I can tweak the plan a bit to get what you're looking for.  What span are you wanting to reach?

Here's a link to some history on the Schneider Trophy Races: Click Here

As for time limits...
1. Lets plan on starting as soon as we reach the fifth individual
2. Lets leave it open ended finish when you can hopefully by Dec.31, 2017
3. Any aircraft of the Schneider Trophy/cup Races from1911-1931 (Lots to choose from).
4. All post on the same thread as progress is made in your construction...

Have we got a fifth yet?
I've decided on the MC-72 and here's a bit of history on this amazing aircraft which still holds the piston powered seaplane speed record! Click Here
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Ian, we have a year time frame.

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Reply #30 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 9:35am
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I guess I got caught with a bug. I am working on rotating and resizing parts of the Piaggio PC-7 plan, aiming at 14" W/S. But it will likely be a quick and dirty build, or won't get finished.
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Reply #29 - Nov 7th, 2016 at 3:05am
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Progress!
I blew the 3 views to a 20" span. I got a little pixelated but enough for reference. Not sure if I want to draw it in CAD or go old school. CAD is so fast and easy to modify, but I Love reading mechanical drawings by hand. I'll see how I feel tomorrow night.

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Reply #28 - Nov 6th, 2016 at 9:45pm
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I finally made up my mind tonight on the Moraine Saulnier Type H, fitted with floats, that flew in the 1st Cup.
No plans around, but I found some decent 3 views and a plethora of photos and details I've been filing away these past couple evenings.
Now to get to work on some drawings!!  Cheesy

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Reply #27 - Nov 6th, 2016 at 8:24pm
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bigrip74 wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 7:23pm:
Terry, I have been trying to modify both the R3C and Piaggio plans for keel former type of construction as in the Guillow P-40. I was looking at either 1/8 or 3/19 keel. What is your opinion?

Bob


For those Guillows 16 1/2" wingspan plans I've used 1/8" 7# balsa.

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Reply #26 - Nov 6th, 2016 at 7:23pm
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Terry, I have been trying to modify both the R3C and Piaggio plans for keel former type of construction as in the Guillow P-40. I was looking at either 1/8 or 3/19 keel. What is your opinion?

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Reply #25 - Nov 6th, 2016 at 3:40pm
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Terry, Ive found a 60" RC plan of the Sopwith Schneider that could  be down sized or the 2-3 Sopwith Baby plans for FF if the are able to be used as a base for the Schneider.

I just found a Tabloid plan, but have not looked at it to see if you would be able to use.

For myself I will keep the Curtiss R3 plan nearby if the Piaggio proves to be too much of a pain.

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Reply #24 - Nov 6th, 2016 at 2:06pm
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I have to admit this cook-up didn't interest me initially, with two unfinished projects (P-40 won't fly, needs a prop and P-38 needs two prop's) and I didn't fancy the construction, weight and drag of pontoons.  But, I did look around a bit and the Sopwith Tabloid (or was it Sopwith Schneider?) was a race winner and really caught my eye.  I can't imagine finishing by the end of the holidays but what the heck.  These Cook-up's are FUN.  The races were wildly popular in their time.  Now, are there plans out there?  Dime scale or up to 20" wings span?

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Reply #23 - Nov 5th, 2016 at 7:48pm
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Here a couple of plans that may interest some:
  

Baby.pdf ( 122 KB | 2 Downloads )
Curtiss_Racer.pdf ( 300 KB | 2 Downloads )
Piaggio_P-7_parts.pdf ( 220 KB | 2 Downloads )
Piaggio_P-7_plan.pdf ( 391 KB | 2 Downloads )
Savoia_S13_002.pdf ( 201 KB | 3 Downloads )

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