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Reply #34 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 7:21pm
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Sorry Tom, I did not know you were looking for the super fortress, I just have the B29 plan with the form-o-matic patterns. 32" wing span, that's what I sent you.

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Reply #33 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 7:14pm
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Tom, I sent you the plans.  Wink

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Reply #32 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 7:05pm
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Yes Tom I have the plan and patterns, file is to large, I will e-mail it to you Tom, let me know when you get it.Smiley

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Reply #30 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 4:30pm
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Ian's link will work but you need to download the Newsletter as a PDF and then just print pages 10-11 & 12 individually using poster print actual size.  Prints out as two 8.5X11" sheets (making 11X17) to be joined together.  The print out page 12 the same way.  Shouldn't be too much distortion.  But it is always safer to measure the plan and check the sizes.

Ray, I've been looking for a B-29 Joe Ott plan but haven't been able to find one do you have one? 
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Reply #29 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 2:52pm
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I suppose I'm in for a peanut build or two or three, unless of course, a "higher calling" comes along...that means I can build whatever I want...just restricts the size.  Sobeit.

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Reply #28 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 2:29pm
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If someone is interested in the Me109 by Joe Ott, the DC Maxecutors had a copy in one issue: http://balsachips.net/static/contents/maxfax-2014-02.pdf, but when I checked the plan, it was not scaled correctly, so you have to be careful if you want to build from it.
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Reply #27 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 2:03pm
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I learned all this after I started on the Defiant. I'm still trying to find out who drew that plan. The plan was based on the prototype, K8310, which was built in '37, but the plan I have was copyrighted in '41. I have a later-in-the-war Ace Whitman HE-113 kit which has very similar construction to the Defiant, and a Joe Ott Bf-109 Ott-O-Former kit, also mid-war issue. I think the transition was fuzzy at best, and in all reality, Tom, you summed it up- It's all the same!
  
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Reply #26 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 1:58pm
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If you're looking for Ace Whitman/Joe Ott plans they can be found on HipPocketAeronautics site "HPA" Click Here
Or this Google search Click Here
Or Outerzone Click for Ace Whitman plans
Joe Ott Plans Click Here
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Reply #25 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 12:20pm
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Thanks Craig for the additional clarification...
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Reply #24 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 11:18am
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"Joe Ott produced SKYFLYER kits in the mid-1930s with a company name of Model Aircraft Products in Chicago. An example of this series is the "Wedell Williams" solid model kit with a wingspan of 6-inches. This solid kit features printed balsa blocks with a nice plan of the Wedell Williams #92, NR536V, although it is not identified as such on the plan. The plan states, "ALL SKY FLYER PLANS COPYWRIGHT  by J.S. OTT MODEL DESIGNER AND AUTHOR". The bottom area of the black & white plan features some perspective views showing how to carve the model.

Ott started the Ace Whitman kit firm in 1935 in Racine, Wisconsin in the unused woodworking factory of Western Coil & Electric and used the services of Western Printing to do the kit marketing under the name of Whitman Publishing, a book publisher. The Ace Whitman kits were sold in huge numbers through dime stores and were not advertised - Ott's design efforts helped created magnificent blueprint style plans with a reverse side featuring a blackline, framework perspective drawing and instructions. Ott left the company in 1938 and started manufacturing his own line of Joe Ott kits which were marketed by J.L. Wright Inc. of Chicago. Known as a "Joe Ott Kit" with "Blue print picture plan", these kits were very nice flying scale models with three-foot plus wingspans; all balsa with plans similar to the Ace Whitman kits. These are the very best of all Joe Ott kits and were copyrighted in 1939 and 1940 - for example, the Curtiss XP-40 (with aft radiator), the Curtiss Fighter, had a 36-inch wingspan (Kit No. 3606) and a conventional model construction. His Lysander had a 42-inch span and would make a very respectable model by today's standards. But as WWII loomed on the horizon, Ott must have had a premonition about balsa shortages.

In September, 1941, Model Airplane News ran an ad for the Joe Ott Manufacturing Co. based in Chicago; the ad stated that "Joe Ott America's Ace Model Airplane Designer announces a new and revolutionary Ott-O-Former Building Method" and that a full color page would run the following month.

The new Ott-O-Former kit line started by featuring 22-inch, 32-inch and 36-inch kits. Note that he also still offered some of the standard, all-balsa kits. The Ott-O-Former kits became the best sellers with their die-cut bristolboard formers and balsa strips. The balsa would soon be substituted with hardwood as the wartime restrictions on balsa began. The large, gas powered Turner Racer was still being offered in mid-1942 although.

Joe Ott was still advertising in 1945, but with this message: "I want you to know why we use OTT-O-FORMERS in our Kits. These Formers were first designed by me during the early days of the War, when Balsa was unobtainable for assembling with thin wood stringers. Now that Balsa is available, we have found that the OTT-O-FORMERS are still the best construction with Balsa stringers. The Balsa Former, being a round, thin piece with definite grain, is not as strong as the same weight of Bristol (no grain). Adequate Balsa Formers require 2 or 4 pieces. That's why we are continuing to develop 1945 OTT-O-FORMERS for better and easier-to-build kits each year."

The Joe Ott kits disappeared following WWII as economic doldrums felled many kit manufacturers in the late 1940s. Joe Ott was an instructor of Aeronautics at Texas A&M University. "
  
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Reply #23 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 11:07am
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Ott separated himself from Whitman Publishing and started producing kits under his own name about 1938. Ace Whitman soldiered on without him for a while. A lot of the Ace Whitman plans after that were drawn by someone else, but the Ott DNA is still there.

You can pretty much figure any wartime Ace Whitman kit or plan is post-Ott. A good rule of thumb on a "warbird" is it it has "Ott-O-Matic" formers, it's Joe Ott- if it's all wood, it ain't.
  
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Reply #22 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 10:50am
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Bob Joe Ott published and made his kits under the Ace Whitman name for the Whitman Manufacturing Co. so they are the same guy!!! As Neal's article explains.  But you're welcome to do two Whitman/Ott plans if you want to.  I was really looking at the Maryland plan as well.
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Reply #21 - Jun 20th, 2018 at 10:47pm
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I have decided on Ace Whitman's Vought_SB2U-1_Vindicator and Joe Ott's Martin_Maryland_Ott_38in.

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Reply #20 - Jun 20th, 2018 at 7:47pm
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I might even sneak in a 2nd airplane, if I do 2 the 2nd one will be Ott's B-29.  Wink

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