Tom, thanks for thinking of me. I did see this on Outerzone, and there was a very good article also included. Talking about 30' lines, with a normal U control handle held in the left hand, and both arms being extended to fly. Including the pole I now use, I fly about a 15' radius. With what I went through with the Corsair, elevator control attempt I did previously. I just don't know. I am missing something. Maybe you also have to run a circle, while holding out both arms, to get the steam needed to make all this happen. If that is true, those days are well behind this Ole boy. Maybe I am letting my .35 control line days affect, what I consider "elevator" control?