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Re: Grumman Wildcat F4F
Reply #58 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 8:49pm
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Mike Kelly is correct.
Smiley
It is an SBD3 Douglas Dauntless Dive Bomber.

Thanks also SkyPilot for your FW190 response.

The Douglas SBD3 is an aircraft I like a lot.
I have been busy building the fin, as I thought I may need to post another photo before it was identified.

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I will open a new topic for the SBD3.
  

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Reply #57 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 5:59pm
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kinda looks like an FW-190 but the tips might be too rounded.
  

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Reply #56 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 5:55pm
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kinda looks like an FW-190 but the tips might be too rounded.
  

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Reply #55 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 4:00pm
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Looks a bit like an SBD Dauntless stab.

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Reply #54 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 3:04pm
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Thanks Kerak.
It is not a Hawker product.
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Reply #53 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 7:25am
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Looks like a Hawker product to me...Typhoon or Tempest.  Smiley

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Reply #52 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:59am
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Over the last couple of weeks I have been trying to download and print a plan for my next project.

Smiley Smiley Smiley Several generous people have helped me in getting a  resized plan and matching print wood in the same size and scale that I wanted.  Team work.

The model will have wingspan of about 30 centimeters.

For the eagle eyed here is photo of the tailplane, straight off the building board, and not yet sanded.

Question is what plan is this?  (There is no prize)

I will open a new topic for this new plane when the tailplane is correctly named.   

Like Kerak with his Devastator I am now committed to this new build.

All the best.

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Reply #51 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 8:34pm
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Thanks for a wonderful build and all you historians for the input and background on the Wake Island battle.
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Reply #50 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 5:37pm
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My F4F is a tribute model to the USMC on Wake Island.

My concept is when you go to see a tribute band concert it will not be absolutely perfect.  My F4F is no museum quality piece but a simple tribute to all the USMC.

The F4F plane I have modelled was flown in its last mission by Captain Henry T Elrod, Medal of Honor (posthumously).

VMF 211 joined the Wake Island Marines two weeks before 7 Dec 1941.

The Marines on Wake Island were armed with six 5-inch (127 mm)/ pieces, originating from the old battleship USS Texas; twelve 3 in (76 mm) anti-aircraft guns (with only a single working anti-aircraft director among them);

no radar and

eighteen .50 in (12.7 mm) Browning heavy machine guns; and thirty .30 in (7.62 mm) heavy, medium and light water- and air-cooled machine guns.

and VMF 211.

VMF lost 8 planes on 7/8 December 1941 bombed, on the airstrip.  Four planes on Combat Air Patrol North of the island did not sight the attackers.

These four F4F and the USMC guns on Wake sank two Japanese destroyers, with another two patrol boats beached on the shore destroyed, and later sank a Japanese submarine providing radio direction beams for their attacking planes.

During the course of this defense, the Marine ground forces and VMF-211 caused the loss of at least four enemy warships, including the first major Japanese naval vessels sunk during the Pacific war.

The squadron was also credited with 8 aircraft destroyed.

After the loss of its last aircraft, the squadron became a ground unit and fought until the surrender of the atoll.

The first Marine airman to be awarded the Medal of Honor in World War II was VMF-211's Captain Henry T. Elrod.

A planned operation to reinforce Wake Island was deemed too dangerous by the fleet command, and on December 23 Wake Island was finally overrun by a numerically superior enemy.

Given the USMC only had 18 x Browning .50 inch heavy machine  guns to start with I have often wondered whether any of the 12 x Wildcat Browning .50 machine guns were removed and deployed in the ground defense of the island. 12x4 = 48 or if 6 guns per plane = 72 extra heavy machine guns.  Would be a large increase in firepower against infantry.

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Reply #49 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 5:23pm
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Marines F4F fin detail.
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Reply #48 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 5:02pm
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The fin is now covered.
Everything fared in.
Cockpit detail next.
I used AMS Glue Stick on all the tissue covering.
No water shrinking or dope so far.
  

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Reply #47 - Jun 8th, 2021 at 6:00am
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How about printing a tissue decal and applying it to the other wing using glue stick, dope, etc? Add the fin flash if realism is an issue. It will look super!!
  
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Reply #46 - Jun 8th, 2021 at 3:03am
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Hi everyone,

Smiley Smiley Smiley

Back on deck after Queens Birthday holiday.

Glued fin to the tailplane.

Added the wings to the fuselage.

For the photo shoot the tail plane is just sitting on the fuselage.

Looked at fixing the insignia on the wrong wing issue.  Test with three layers of blue tissue over the wrong insignia and you can still see the red and white through three layers.  Considering cutting  the insignia off and replacing them.

Will glue tailplane to fuselage tomorrow and fare it in and then cover it.

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Reply #45 - Jun 5th, 2021 at 7:08pm
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Hi Toulouse,

many years ago I learned photography/printing
and as such I look at photos for reversing or mirroring.
letters and such make it easy to decide
sometimes for page layout an editor will mirror a photo
because they don't notice and think it looks better the wrong way.
I usually check reference photos, but it will sometimes catch
me off guard.

I didn't notice, now that I know, I will look.
I also give thanks to AlfaKilo

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Reply #44 - Jun 5th, 2021 at 6:51pm
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it is an odd place to have such a discussion
and where we can move to is something we can discuss.

hmmm... "spin"

I like spin because it is entertaining.
It helps to have facts to back-up any claims of meaning.

The course that the flight to no where took is a piece
where I don't really care who chose it. 
It was made without knowing where enemy ships were.
there is nothing wrong with it by itself.

If we ASSUME U.S. commanders knew "find four."
Well, then the course for Ring's flight is reasonable.
That point is the end of my granting grace for Ring's actions that morning.
His career saved by the USNA's protection society.

For carrier battles, my thinking is go where you DO know your enemy is.
everything else is a far different problem to solve.

I do not have any obvious facts or details to use on Mitscher.
I know any questioning orders can be insubordinate.
What we have on that issue is, from all I can tell, within reason.
Good officers are expected to question orders to help understand those same orders.
From the outside, as we are, it is not easy to state Mitscher had a big problem to solve.
He did need someone to lead the flight. Rank and position sometimes carry the day.

After the battle?  oh after the battle...
If I were above Mitscher and evaluating what had happened...
I would be looking for ways to transfer both to the Alaska inland defense command.
( this is sorta what happened...) My evaluation is from the losses of that flight. 
Most of those planes and aircrew should have returned to the Hornet in one piece
to be available for the next round of fighting.

Of all the items I see, Radar was put to good use. b-17's were good scouts.
I think the Japanese had no idea how many irreplaceable resources were in harm's way.

Again Winston Churchill has a clear path for the Japanese...
He was discussing German surface ships.
you don't have to set sail at all, just threaten to sorty and cause the British admiralty
alarms and excursions. recalling ships and reallocating already thin resources.
The Japanese could have sat back behind island airbases and sallied out to flatten any task forces.
The threat of action is as powerful as the action.

For all Yamamoto wanted to get done, he really needed all six carriers at Midway.
Even if he had lost four, he would likely have kept most of the aircrews
and punched out the U.S. carriers.

One can make a case that would have delayed the U.S. by a year.

Midway looks to me like the Japanese were more surprised
that they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory than any other conclusion I have read.

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