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Reply #57 - yesterday at 7:33am
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Well Andy, your practice bomb certainly looks a bit more refined than the original...but maybe not quite as durable.  Thanks again. Smiley

Ok...cut out some of the clutter within the wheelwells...for the sake of appearance.  Construction looks like square-sets on the Comstock...but is all very lightweight wood.

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Reply #56 - Mar 20th, 2023 at 8:22am
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Kerak wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 7:26am:
Thanks for the research, Andy.


I thought it looked familiar! The BDU-33 has been in use forever, I must have dropped a gazillion of these from F-4s, F-104s, and A-10s. Often carried in dispensers as in the 104 pic. Held 6.
  

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Reply #55 - Mar 20th, 2023 at 7:26am
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Landing gear is actually NOT very sophisticated...as retraction systems go.  As an early retractable, it was purely mechanical...crank up, crank down...have included a photo of the bicycle chain that the cockpit-located hand-crank connected to.  It was NOT a quick operation as many turns of the crank were required.  (Ever thrown a chain while riding a bicycle?  Of course you have.  This system was no different.  According to Kermit Weeks (F4F owner), cockpit was actually equipped with bolt-cutters to alleviate just such an occurrence.) This type system was quite prevalent during the '30's...used in many ac types...including Sikorsky's flying boats.  Largest ac of note was the Consolidated Catalina.  BUT...it had its drawbacks...very narrow track...skittish...was not rigid...prone to many failures for a number of reasons...ac weight being critical.  Have seen a video of an F4F in a carrier landing...one wheel strikes deck first...compressing that side of LG...causing ac to dramatically swerve to that side...only saved from going over the side by arrester cable and hook!  Kermit Weeks has a nice video...helmet cam...that illustrates perfectly the labor required to raise and lower the LG in a Wildcat. 

Just want to add...have read many supposed aviation historian comments critical of the Buffalo (F2A) LG...which is all BS...because although they look different...actually operated the same (Buffalo used cables instead of chains) and were equally failure-susceptible.  Early retractables....  At least the Buffalo was NOT narrow-tracked.

Got some wire installed...basic LG.

Neal

Thanks for the research, Andy. Smiley
  

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Reply #54 - Mar 19th, 2023 at 9:23pm
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Reply #53 - Mar 19th, 2023 at 9:17pm
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I look forward to your solution for the landing gear.  That is one complex retraction setup.  It reminds me of Grummans "fat birds" gear setup.  F3f & F4f.
  

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Reply #52 - Mar 19th, 2023 at 6:02pm
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Wow that's alot of detail.
Nice looking engine/cowl.
  
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Reply #51 - Mar 19th, 2023 at 1:43pm
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Airwar.ru is a Russian historical aircraft resource that often has photos seldom seen elsewhere.

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/sww2/sbc/
  
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Reply #50 - Mar 19th, 2023 at 7:44am
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Am now attemptin' to evolve a landing gear....  Of course, the easy approach is to retract it...however....  I am very much remiss to reduce those structural members within the wheel well...so will be ugly....

Note those quaint little appendages slung beneath the lower-outer wing panels. Nearest I can figure they are anti-personnel bomblet containers...airborne mortar rounds.  Those sailors posing for LIFE appear to be "loading" unfused bomblets.

Another interesting note...looks like some manner of "gun-camera" mounted on top of the upper wing...note the 1938 "coaxial cables."

Also note the upper wing chevron on the Lexington ac...only squadrons in the Navy to use an inverted chevron...small detail.

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Reply #49 - Mar 18th, 2023 at 3:27pm
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Understand the difficulties with the different types. I guess the early designers had the problem of new types coming out all the time during this era.

Your current cowl looks great! Smiley
  

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Reply #48 - Mar 18th, 2023 at 8:59am
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Cowling...1/32" sheet...which is as close to cardstock as I can get...sanded to 1/64" in spots....  Covered in 4 sections using paper patterns to size each...lottsa fun.  Still messing with the sanding block...'til I probably ruin it entirely...which really would be good fortune.  Why do I say that?

God bless Ace Whitman...cowl as it turns out is not correct...bottom profile is ok...but top has too great an angle...should be more in tune with forward fuselage decking angle.  Now...here's the scoop...when Curtiss finally arrived at our familiar biplane configuration for the SBC...the XSBC-2, a single prototype was constructed...only to discover that the Pn'W engine used proved quite unreliable.  So the same airframe was re-engined and christened the XSBC-3...we've arrived...with a corresponding cowl modification.

So Ace has an XSBC-2 cowling on an SBC-3...that has been retailed as an SBC-4...with an incorrect vertical stab and rudder as well.  Ain't she sweet.  Undecided  So what we have is far from actual scale (as advertised)...but instead...a model of a model...or there-about.  Smiley

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Reply #47 - Mar 16th, 2023 at 3:11pm
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I use 1/32" sheet too.Have to remember to allow for the sheet thickness by sanding the formers down a bit.

Never had much luck with paper coverings.
  
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Reply #46 - Mar 16th, 2023 at 1:58pm
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sheet balsa....
  

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Reply #45 - Mar 16th, 2023 at 12:15pm
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I know you're not to make assumptions but...
I assume templete M is a paper pattern to wrap the cowl with.  Are you going to use paper/cardstock to finish off the cowling or are you going to wrap with thin balsa sheet?  The curious me can't wait to see the answer! Roll Eyes Grin Wink
  

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Reply #44 - Mar 16th, 2023 at 9:28am
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cowling coming together....
  

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Reply #43 - Mar 14th, 2023 at 3:58pm
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Kittyfritters wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 3:08pm:
[quote author=353832353F3D383B540 link=1677083802/34#34 date=1678490872]...However, when I put it in kit I decided that I wasn't going to do that to a customer and redesigned it with a one piece lower wing.KF


My thoughts as well.
  
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