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Craig 3 5 Star Member Offline I Love YaBB 2.5 AE! Posts: 1003 Location: West Virginia, USA Joined: Apr 8^th, 2017	Re: 2018-2019 Fall Cookup Whitman/Ott &/or Peanut Scal Reply #49 - Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 4:26pm	Print Post
	Here is the Bristol Board and Balsa from my Joe Ott 22” Messerschmitt kit. The three-ply board for the tail outlines and landing gear mics .042”. The fuselage formers look to be single-ply and measure .015” thick. The balsa printwood wing ribs are dead on .050” thick.

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Sky9pilot Administrator Offline Stick & Tissue Posts: 13281 Location: Kelso, WA 98626 USA Joined: Jan 9^th, 2010	Re: 2018-2019 Fall Cookup Whitman/Ott &/or Peanut Scal Reply #48 - Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 4:08pm	Print Post
	See reply#26 for links to free Whitman/Ott plans

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Sky9pilot Administrator Offline Stick & Tissue Posts: 13281 Location: Kelso, WA 98626 USA Joined: Jan 9^th, 2010	Re: 2018-2019 Fall Cookup Whitman/Ott &/or Peanut Scal Reply #47 - Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 3:58pm	Print Post
	Always something to learn everyday!!! Thanks for the info... I think I'll use the 1/32" cross grain for the formers as well. After seeing Rays's B-17 plan that's beginning to look real good. Glad I've got to September to finalize a choice! Tom

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Ray_K 5 Star Member Offline to create that which never exsisted before. Posts: 518 Joined: Feb 15^th, 2016	Re: 2018-2019 Fall Cookup Whitman/Ott &/or Peanut Scal Reply #46 - Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 3:56pm	Print Post
	6-22-2018 After a little research, Bristolboard is also known as paperboard, it is an uncoated and laminated machine finished paper, I would imagine if you laminated cardboard to 1/16" thick with a glue stick it would be similar to the original but I think it would be to heavy for our purposes. Cheers, Ray.


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Craig 3 5 Star Member Offline I Love YaBB 2.5 AE! Posts: 1003 Location: West Virginia, USA Joined: Apr 8^th, 2017	Re: 2018-2019 Fall Cookup Whitman/Ott &/or Peanut Scal Reply #45 - Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 3:55pm	Print Post
	Bristol board is an uncoated, machine-finished paper board. It is said to be named after the city where it was originally produced, in England. Bristol board comes in two key finishes: vellum or smooth (or sometimes “plate”). Less common in the fine art world is an engraver’s finish, which is more suited for printing engraved stationery. Within those two key finishes, you’ll find several thicknesses of bristol board. It can range from one ply (along the lines of the thickness of printer paper), or two or three ply. Two ply is more like a card stock, firm but foldable, and three ply is more like a rigid board. Sometimes, rather than being sold as two or three ply, the board will be sold by weight. A paper’s “weight” refers to the weight of 500 sheets of a paper in question. The 100-pound bristol board is a popular and versatile version.


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Craig 3 5 Star Member Offline I Love YaBB 2.5 AE! Posts: 1003 Location: West Virginia, USA Joined: Apr 8^th, 2017	Re: 2018-2019 Fall Cookup Whitman/Ott &/or Peanut Scal Reply #44 - Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 3:52pm	Print Post
	My humble opinion (and the way I plan on building if I decide not to use a kit) is that there'd be no problem with substituting materials. The Ott-O-Formers, being made of Bristol board, were one piece and immune to cross-grain breakage. I have a couple kits, and a couple orphaned plans. My plan is to cross-laminate some suitable 1/32" sheet wood and cut the formers to match the Ott plan.


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Ray_K 5 Star Member Offline to create that which never exsisted before. Posts: 518 Joined: Feb 15^th, 2016	Re: 2018-2019 Fall Cookup Whitman/Ott &/or Peanut Scal Reply #43 - Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 3:45pm	Print Post
	6-22-2018 The form-o-matic formers were made out of die-cut Bristolboard? What is Bristolboard? Cheers, Ray.


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Ray_K 5 Star Member Offline to create that which never exsisted before. Posts: 518 Joined: Feb 15^th, 2016	Re: 2018-2019 Fall Cookup Whitman/Ott &/or Peanut Scal Reply #42 - Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 3:41pm	Print Post
	6-22-2018 Good question, I know that the form-o-matic formers used in the Joe Ott kits were of a pressed fiber type cardboard being 1/16" thick from what I have heard and read about, do we have to use pressed board for this or can we use balsa, can we change the wing span or do we have to leave it at the original wing span? Cheers, Ray.


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Sky9pilot Administrator Offline Stick & Tissue Posts: 13281 Location: Kelso, WA 98626 USA Joined: Jan 9^th, 2010	Re: 2018-2019 Fall Cookup Whitman/Ott &/or Peanut Scal Reply #41 - Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 3:28pm	Print Post
	Not having seen a real Joe Ott kit I'm not familiar with the former material. So cracker box or cereal box cardboard is similar? I know my card stock wouldn't be stiff enough for formers. I hadn't set any limits so I'm eager to hear the desires of all who will be participating??? Tom

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Kerak 5 Star Member Offline Build! Fly! Enjoy! Posts: 3522 Location: Roy, Utah Joined: Oct 5^th, 2015	Re: 2018-2019 Fall Cookup Whitman/Ott &/or Peanut Scal Reply #40 - Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 3:22pm	Print Post
	Hey...this cookup involves using Joe Ott-specified materials for Joe Ott/Ace Whitman plans, right? Wouldn't be Joe Ott without crackerbox cardboard now, would it. Neal


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Ray_K 5 Star Member Offline to create that which never exsisted before. Posts: 518 Joined: Feb 15^th, 2016	Re: 2018-2019 Fall Cookup Whitman/Ott &/or Peanut Scal Reply #39 - Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 2:40pm	Print Post
	6-22-2018 Opps, you are right Tom, I will be building Joe Ott's B-17 not the B-29, I would like to get my hands on the B-29 plan as well. Cheers, Ray.


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Sky9pilot Administrator Offline Stick & Tissue Posts: 13281 Location: Kelso, WA 98626 USA Joined: Jan 9^th, 2010	Re: 2018-2019 Fall Cookup Whitman/Ott &/or Peanut Scal Reply #38 - Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 12:36pm	Print Post
	Ray, Thanks for the great Joe Ott plan but it's the B-17 Flying Fortress not the B-29 Super Fortress. I'll post it for those who are interested because the formers are all complete and this is a very nice copy of the plan. Thanks again! Tom

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shipwreck 4 Star Member Offline Navy Vet Posts: 285 Location: Medina Ohio Joined: Jun 20^th, 2018	Re: 2018-2019 Fall Cookup Whitman/Ott &/or Peanut Scal Reply #37 - Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 6:17am	Print Post
	Thanks. I should be out of my hand cast by the time this starts. Nice thing is i been able to build laser cut kits at this time. Draw back is i can't cover them


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pb_guy 5 Star Member Offline So I'm just a kid at heart. Posts: 2200 Location: Youbou, BC, Vancouver Island Joined: Oct 15^th, 2014	Re: 2018-2019 Fall Cookup Whitman/Ott &/or Peanut Scal Reply #36 - Jun 21^st, 2018 at 11:01pm	Print Post
	Wait for just a while and Tom will likely put it into the plans section of the forum. ian


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shipwreck 4 Star Member Offline Navy Vet Posts: 285 Location: Medina Ohio Joined: Jun 20^th, 2018	Re: 2018-2019 Fall Cookup Whitman/Ott &/or Peanut Scal Reply #35 - Jun 21^st, 2018 at 7:25pm	Print Post
	I'm a newbie here. Where would I find the plans for this. I would like to join in.


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